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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 10/31 7:59pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	AdmiralWesJanson posted: Tricky posted: -thor- posted: Ah thx. Didn't know that. So it's gonna be the Mando version of "High Noon at OK Corral"? More like the Mando version of "The Empire Strikes Back!". What, Vader freezes Kal in Carbonite with Ny and the Strill mournfully looking on, and Vau flying off at the end promising "We'll find Kal" ? Vau: I love you. Kal: I know. ....yeah. -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 10/31 10:15pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	hmmmm.... I always did wonder how a creature that big could survive and why we didn't see any other skeletons of them lying around. And personally, I always liked the idea of Mandolore as a tourist trap, though I don't think that can work given their more recent history. Despite both of those thoughts, I am kind of sad. Star Wars is half-fantasy after all, not some hard sci-fi that needs to explain everything. Though I could apply this equally to many more recent works. -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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-thor- Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/1 12:41am Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 11/1 12:42am (1 edits total) Edited By: -thor-
	Barriss_Coffee posted: AdmiralWesJanson posted: Tricky posted: More like the Mando version of "The Empire Strikes Back!". What, Vader freezes Kal in Carbonite with Ny and the Strill mournfully looking on, and Vau flying off at the end promising "We'll find Kal" ? Vau: I love you. Kal: I know. ....yeah. ROFL! -----signature----- Fic in progress: "Just a thief ..." http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/30512254/p1
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Thrawn McEwok Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 11/1 2:26am Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed) - Date Edited: 11/1 2:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
	Sinrebirth posted: Interesting... very interesting. The Spaarti's don't seem 'all there', by all accounts. They're effective in large numbers, I guess, which meshes well with canon. I think it HAS to be more that the skill-set is either poorly-designed, or deliberately designed for dumb, unthinking loyalty. Contrast Carib Devist's POV in HoT2... yes, he's been "in the wild" for ten years and part of his humanity comes from that, but he does a slight double-take when he realises he has a fully-developed attitude to Imperial Intelligence that he inherited from Soontir Fel... And that's after a week in a Clone Wars-era Spaarti cylinder. - The Imperial Ewok -----signature----- A/T = OTP :===8[#]8===: Kyp/Jaina fans: stand up and be counted!
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killfire Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 11/1 4:12am Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Thrawn McEwok posted: Sinrebirth posted: Interesting... very interesting. The Spaarti's don't seem 'all there', by all accounts. They're effective in large numbers, I guess, which meshes well with canon. I think it HAS to be more that the skill-set is either poorly-designed, or deliberately designed for dumb, unthinking loyalty. Contrast Carib Devist's POV in HoT2... yes, he's been "in the wild" for ten years and part of his humanity comes from that, but he does a slight double-take when he realises he has a fully-developed attitude to Imperial Intelligence that he inherited from Soontir Fel... And that's after a week in a Clone Wars-era Spaarti cylinder. - The Imperial Ewok You know what's coming, right? So Jagged Fel is a Spaarti-clone? -----signature----- iTunes / AmazonMp3 / lastfm.com: Alien AreA Latest record: Fringe Tunes
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JediMasterNicolas Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/1 11:25am Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I finally picked up the book yesterday and started reading today. About a hundred pages in so far and since I've got nothing going on today except for a plethora of sports to keep an eye on I expect to finish it. I understand Havac's apprehension, but so far I'm digging the book. I'm a sucker for big-family type novels. Reminds me of The Godfather. -----signature----- Where there's a Whill There's a Way
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patchworkz7 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 11/1 11:33am Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Thrawn McEwok posted: Sinrebirth posted: Interesting... very interesting. The Spaarti's don't seem 'all there', by all accounts. They're effective in large numbers, I guess, which meshes well with canon. I think it HAS to be more that the skill-set is either poorly-designed, or deliberately designed for dumb, unthinking loyalty. Contrast Carib Devist's POV in HoT2... yes, he's been "in the wild" for ten years and part of his humanity comes from that, but he does a slight double-take when he realises he has a fully-developed attitude to Imperial Intelligence that he inherited from Soontir Fel... And that's after a week in a Clone Wars-era Spaarti cylinder. - The Imperial Ewok Total agreement with McEwok (no, this isn't a trick, you can come back to the keyboard, it's not about to explode on you), because of the sheer amount of flash training these clones would have had to endure. Which also may be why there's instability in the matrix, if there is in fact instability. They aren't taught the way we think of people being "taught" anything, it's all subliminal imprinting. The Spaarti don't have the muscle memory even if they have the skill sets, but more important, anyone who doesn't think Palpatine was loading up those flash training sims with loads of other stuff...well, if you can learn a marching song under flash training, you can learn opinions on following orders, the goodness and validity of the Galactic Empire, and anything else the programmers want you to know. One reason I've always said the genetic tweaking for loyalty wasn't as important is because we're talking about beings who were constantly conditioned in their sleep to obey orders and taught everything they needed to know by having it squirted directly into their brains. How do they know they've ever had a thought that wasn't put there by Palpatine? -----signature----- Original Fiction & essays "Does God Limp?" in HOUSE UNAUTHORIZED http://www.smartpopbooks.com/allbooks/2007.html#house Now in German and Polish Editions! James A Gilmer
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 11/1 12:13pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I had thought that the whole 'clone madness' thing from the Spaarti clones had to do with their 'unnatural' nature - Thrawn's solution was to use the ysalamari to deaden the Force, which apparently was reacting negatively to their rapid growth. As to why a Sith Lord didn't know what was happening - I think it was more that Palpatine didn't care, until it became apparent their madness made them ineffective. Since he wasn't aware of the ysalamari (as far as I know), he didn't have the solution to the problem. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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JediMasterNicolas Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/1 2:28pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Is Ranah Teh Naast the first female Mandalore we've heard about? -----signature----- Where there's a Whill There's a Way
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patchworkz7 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 11/1 3:27pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	JediMasterNicolas posted: Is Ranah Teh Naast the first female Mandalore we've heard about? Kal and Fenn have both mentioned that there have been female Mandalores in the past. This is the first named one we've come across though. -----signature----- Original Fiction & essays "Does God Limp?" in HOUSE UNAUTHORIZED http://www.smartpopbooks.com/allbooks/2007.html#house Now in German and Polish Editions! James A Gilmer
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/1 8:56pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I was talking with Hydro and realized: Spar, at this point, is being used wholly in name only. Think: what were Spar's traits, as a character, at this point in time? He was a clone named Spar. He suffered from reemerging memories of Jango's that made him unstable. He fled Tipoca City before the Clone Wars. He became Mandalore, acting as Jango's heir. He rallied the Mandalorians, building a new corps of 212 that fought under the Separatists. What are his traits in Travissland? He's a clone named Spar. He was never actually insane. He never became Mandalore. He never built the 212 and fought for the Separatists. He's a wholly generic character. He's just some ARC deserter. He has, in fact, been used so generically, that in 501st, Traviss erases the last trace of his story that she actually hung onto: leaving Tipoca before the war. She has him spout off about how he got inoculations from the Republic during the war against Separatist bioweapons. He's become so generic that she actually forgets the last piece of backstory for him. She's down to using him wholly in name only. I mean, think about it. It's like introducing a Jedi named Quinlan Vos, except he's actually not a Kiffar, he was never Tholme's padawan (that was a rumor), he taught Aayla a little bit in the Temple about psychometry but was never actually her Master, and wait I forgot he was anything other than generic and said he couldn't do psychometry. What the hell's the point? -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?" "I . . . don't know what department I want. I need . . . pants."
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Xicer Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 11/1 9:09pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	I feel sorry for Hydro, I see he's working on Spar's article right now. I just like to think that Spar really is insane and anything he says about his past is most likely fabricated. -----signature----- "Just before your arrival, Moneo and I were discussing Infinity." "Poor Moneo." --Leto II and Malky, "God Emperor of Dune"
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 11/1 9:27pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	"Everything I tell you is a lie." -----signature----- Yar
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JediMasterNicolas Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/1 9:27pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	Xicer posted: I feel sorry for Hydro, I see he's working on Spar's article right now. I just like to think that Spar really is insane and anything he says about his past is most likely fabricated. At the top of the article he should put "Spar was an ARC that deserted from the GAR sometime around the time of the Clone Wars. If he has a past, he prefers it to be multiple choice." -----signature----- Where there's a Whill There's a Way
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 11/1 9:28pm Subject: The Official Imperial Commando: 501st Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)
	"Why so Sparious?" -----signature----- Yar
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