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Matthew Trias  12712 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 10:44pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!! - Date Edited: 7/10/01 11:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Matthew Trias
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Wedge 88  11221 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 10:48pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Some people find enjoyment in the timelines and chronologies, the same enjoyment you find in Star Wars just being fun. You can say they may be hurting Star Wars because they like things you don't, but that dosn't make people agree with you.

I agree with you that Star Wars is fun. I just don't want that fun spoiled by everything turning into a medicore comedy fest like what we saw in Tales 9.

I'm still excited about Gamer, I want this issue soooo bad, and I still don't have it!

And I have enjoyed Timetales and the other great timelines and encyclopedias online. For me its the only way I can find some stories, like WEG and Marvel stories.

Maybe I read what you said wrong.

 

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TalonCard  7489 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 10:53pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Holy over-reaction, Batman... (On all sides.) Sheesh...

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Wedge 88  11221 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 11:07pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
I didn't overreact. I replied.

And I didn't flame.

Thanks.

 

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pat-fett  5104 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 11:17pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!! - Date Edited: 7/10/01 11:22pm (2 edits total) Edited By: pat-fett
I understand what you are saying boungles to a point. In Val's defense and those like him I want to say that to them and even sometimes myself we find it fun to analyz and argue a point about SW in any form. Yes it is a Fairy Tale and make believe. Yes it is a place to let your imagination run wild.Yet it is so much more than that. I find it sad that you look down on people's right to enjoy SW in a way that you do not understand. Not everyone is the same.

 

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The Gatherer  14133 posts
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Date Posted: 7/10/01 11:17pm Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
I don't think you have the correct understanding of our purpose when you derise people who enjoy constructing timelines of the Star Wars universe.

We literally invest thousands of dollars over the years in the many novels and comics that have been produced. I am sure that with such an investment, you would expect a high professional standard. That is why often we get upset when there is a continuity problem, because in our eyes, the powers that be have not paid close enough attention to their own material. Call us nitpicky, but that is part of our enjoyment, to see where things fit and how.

Please don't let this turn into a flame-fest.

 

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Valiento  25674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/01 1:53am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
<blinks> No comment, except to say others have hit it on the nail.....

 

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jedimasterED  2460 posts
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Registered: Oct '99
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Date Posted: 7/11/01 7:41am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
As Wedge 88 said, fans find different ways to enjoy this epic and expanded Saga we call Star Wars. Some enjoy the fantasy, fairy tale feeling they get when they watch, read, collect, roleplay, etc. Others enjoy certain characteristics of the Saga; from the cool creatures, characters, and technology, to the cohesive story that stretches beyond (what will be) six excellent films.

Valiento obviously enjoys the Saga more when the attempts at a cohesive continuity mesh well and make sense. I know I do.

However, (and please read this carefully and in full) the fact that one fan does not share the same vision for enjoying the Saga as you does not make them a bad fan.

A bad fan would stop caring, stop buying, and stop enjoying. I honestly believe Val and others like him complain about the shortcomings they perceive in the Saga not to tear down the Saga that they love and enjoy, but to find support among like-minded fans, thus a way to enjoy the title they did not enjoy.

Remember those fans in Major League (the 1st, and only good one)? The fans who complained about how much the Indians sucked, but they were still paying season ticket-holders and they came to every home game? They were finding a way (sure it was an odd way) to enjoy the team they loved. A team they would stick with and love through thick and thin.

Fans like Val might not make sense to fans who have a different take on the Saga, but it doesn't mean they should not be fans anymore because they upset other fans.

As you invited Val above, I invite you to stop participating in discussions that annoy you. I won't go as far as you did and reveal just how much disdain I have for the way you conduct yourself in these forums through sarcastic offers to aide you in finding a solution, but I will say that you can do the same thing you asked Val to do: Stop trying to enjoy these forums, and thus, this Saga. Stop wanting to connect with other fans and get to know just what it is that makes them tick and just how and why they love the Saga. Stop liking Star Wars the way you do.

Not so easy? Then I suggest you find a better way to interact with those fans who you do not agree with or understand. You might be verbose and better spoken than some here at the JC, but it doesn't make you right. Being rude and derisive, no matter how well put, doesn't make friends or fall in line with the JC posting guidelines. And while I can appreciate the necessity of reminders to relax and not take these fictitious stories quite so seriously, I do not appreciate hypocrisy. Val complained about one aspect of Star Wars as it is today. You tell him he's a bad fan by way of complaining about another aspect of Star Wars as it is today.

Like I said before, either take your own advice or start trying to find ways to enjoy those aspects you do not currently enjoy.

 

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Wedge 88  11221 posts
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Date Posted: 7/11/01 9:03am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Yeah, thats about right.

 

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virtue1st  122 posts
Registered: Oct '98
Date Posted: 7/13/01 7:23am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Bravo, bongles. Excellent post, and I agree with you 99.99%

It's all about the fun.

 

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Wedge 88  11221 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/01 7:56am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
And fun isn't just what you perceive it to be. People can have fun doing stuff you hate.

 

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Moridin  506 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/01 8:59am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Yeah. Uhm. Interesting note on the whole continuity thing.

I'm in pretty close contact with the guys at WotC. I contacted one of them, JD Wiker (aka JeDi Wiker) regarding this issue. Here's the deal on the Infinities logo on issue #4: The only article in the magazine that is considered Infinities is the "Starhoppers..." article. The rest is considered Official continuity material. The reason the Infinities logo was on the cover was because the Starhoppers were on the cover. From now on, the Infinities logo will appear only on the individual article that is apocryphal, not the whole magazine. So, there you have it. SW Gamer #4 is part of official continuity except the Starhoppers article, which, of course, originated with the already-apocryphal Marvel series.

Regarding issue six, it is not a Star Wars Tales themed issue from what I have heard. Rather, it is a Tales of the Jedi themed issue. I may be mistaken, but my sources (who are reliable) indicate we'll be seeing TotJ stuff in the next issue.

 

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Wedge 88  11221 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/01 9:02am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!!
Cool. Thanks!

 

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Valiento  25674 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/01 10:02am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!! - Date Edited: 7/13/01 10:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
"I'm in pretty close contact with the guys at WotC. I contacted one of them, JD Wiker (aka JeDi Wiker) regarding this issue. Here's the deal on the Infinities logo on issue #4: The only article in the magazine that is considered Infinities is the "Starhoppers..." article. The rest is considered Official continuity material. The reason the Infinities logo was on the cover was because the Starhoppers were on the cover. From now on, the Infinities logo will appear only on the individual article that is apocryphal, not the whole magazine. So, there you have it. SW Gamer #4 is part of official continuity except the Starhoppers article, which, of course, originated with the already-apocryphal Marvel series. "

Umm, you got be kidding, you have to be completly wrong for one fact in issue 3, ben harper had this whole big letter, on how marvel is official, and always been official, just some people working in marvel and del rey chose to ignore it. Now they would bring it back. They said only a few issues of marvel are obviously non-continuity, they completly conflict with EU. aduba as far as I know doesn't.

Secondly the Author of the article, pablo hidalgo of the aduba article visited the forums, and talked about it briefly a few weeks before it was released, and said he meant it to be an incontinuity article. He was most proud of the article. when approached by the fact of the ifinnities logo on the cover only referred to the already infinities "tales" Lurdo comics. He said as far as he knewn he was acknowledged they put in a letter explain that fact in the issue, which of course never happened.

Honestly your anti-marvel bigotry, shouldn't apply since of what ben harper, and pablo hidalgo has said already about marvel, and that article in particuler. especially what you said would make lurdo's comic part of continuity, and well, that would be pretty hard to fit in, especially since it's the only thing inside the issue to have an infinities logo on it, besides the front of the cover.

So here's hoping a apology letter in tales 6 comes out and fixes this whole mess. Believe me pablo will probably be upset if they disrepect the article he put all that work into, by saying it's non-continuity.

"Regarding issue six, it is not a Star Wars Tales themed issue from what I have heard. Rather, it is a Tales of the Jedi themed issue. I may be mistaken, but my sources (who are reliable) indicate we'll be seeing TotJ stuff in the next issue."

Let's hope your right on this one. but the back of the book really does point to "star wars Tales" Technically Tales of the Jedi, should be completly spelled out to avoid confusion. Unless WOTC/DH, plans on just putting all DH tales products under one heading, and make it all infinities, Perish the thought. So honestly I don't trust your sources exactly. Just have to wait and see.

 

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Moridin  506 posts
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Date Posted: 7/13/01 11:01am Subject: RE: Gamer #5 stuff @ TOS!!! - Date Edited: 7/13/01 11:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: Moridin
By Valiento:Honestly your anti-marvel bigotry, shouldn't apply since of what ben harper, and pablo hidalgo has said already about marvel, and that article in particuler. especially what you said would make lurdo's comic part of continuity, and well, that would be pretty hard to fit in, especially since it's the only thing inside the issue to have an infinities logo on it, besides the front of the cover.


Several things. One: stop jumping to conclusions. NOWHERE did I mention anything anti-Marvel. The fact that you call it "bigotry" is certainly an indication that you did not read the post carefully and are lashing out defensively with no cause. Additionally, you're tossing about the word "bigot" awfully easily there, I'm not entirely sure it means what you think it means. You have no cause to jump down my throat like you did, and I won't bother treating you as a worthy part of this discussion if you can't moderate your reactions.

Two: Obviously, the comic strips intended as humor don't have any place in continuity, any more than the stormtrooper/Vader comic strip in the first issue was part of continuity. If anyone remembers the "Is my Jar Jar Coloring Book Canon?" thread, there are certain things, such as humor strips and children's books, that aren't considered continuity. The fact that the comics strip itself has the Infinities logo on it denotes it as non-continuity; JD Wiker, as you will see in his quote below, is referring only to articles.

Umm, you got be kidding, you have to be completly wrong for one fact in issue 3, ben harper had this whole big letter, on how marvel is official, and always been official, just some people working in marvel and del rey chose to ignore it.


If you reread Ben's letter, he says that they did not disavow Marvel, NOT that it has always been official. However, the entireity of the Marvel series is not Official. In fact, currently very little is. Ben mentions that they are "are being integrated into official Star Wars canon." This means that the comics are NOT currently part of continuity, but certain elements are being brought into continuity over time.

By JD Wiker, R&D Team Member of Wizards of the Coast: As I recall, it was just the Starhoppers article that was considered an Infinities article. I actually asked Mike Mikaelian [the new editor for Star Wars Gamer] this same question, and he told me that the article itself was supposed to have the Infinities logo. We're going to try to identify those in future.


The above is the response to the letter I sent to my contact, who works at WotC. If anyone would know, the authors surely would.

More by Valiento: So honestly I don't trust your sources exactly. Just have to wait and see.


What sources do you trust, then? I think you are believing what you WANT to believe, not what is. Personally, I like some elements of the Marvel series and want to see them integrated, but for the most part I don't care either way. There is no bias here; in fact, since I like some elements of the Marvel series, I'm probably more pro-Marvel than not.

Since there is no search function on these accursed boards, I can't go back and read Pablo Hidalgo's post. I would like to, so if anyone can point me to it I'd be pleased. However, I doubt Mr. Hidalgo will be calling down the fire and brimstone because his article was made non-continuity. Why was it done so? Ask LucasFilm. They're the ones in charge of it. However, as it stands now the article itself is Infinities, as is the Lurdo comic strip, but the rest of the issue is Official continuity as it can be applied. I have proof, as stated above. If you care to provide a counter-argument with more proof than "no that can't be right" I'll be happy to continue the discussion civilly.

 

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