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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 12:53pm Subject: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	My psychology class is having affects on my mind so I thought I'd get a thread together on diagnosing characters in Star Wars who might not reasonably be held responsible for their actions due to mental illness. The First character which comes to mind has to be Admiral Daala. Admiral Daala's reactions upon exiting the Carida Nebula are not the reactions of a woman acting in a proper state of mind but a woman suffering complete mental breakdown... Or is it? Technically speaking the fanaticism that one would live 11 years inside a station without any contact with the outside world whatsoever is extreme obsessive behavior. Rather similar to the Samurai who still fought on for the Japanese after WW2 was over until his old commander relieved him of duty. The eradication of Eol Shaw and the insistance on portraying beings as rebels not to mention the "gradiose" scheme of attacking Mon Calamari and Coruscant....are classic signs of megolomania and delusion. We must realize that by the point of Admiral Daala's training Mon Calamari I believe likely would already have rebelled against the empire and been recognized as a rebel world. In Darksaber Admiral Daala's sanity seems a little less in question with her actions mostly the act of a simply ruthless and evil nationalist....however the attack on the Jedi Compound while justifiable as a psychological blow is mixed with Admiral Daala's orders to attack even undefended worlds that don't resist. Finally the first hint Admiral Daala's nationalism is not her primary goal nor incompetance the source of her "massive stupidity" is the attack on Moff Gentelles fleet. Admiral Daala in this case made war on an ally of the Galactic Empire soley because he offended her sensibilities not because of any moral outrage (which would be very hypocritical for her) and against all military logistic sense and against imperial protocol. Furthermore we see her assuming almost shizoprhenic romantic personality when confronted with her technician lover. My guess is when faced with Tarkin she assumed a similar "googly eyed teenager" style personality.
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chissdude10 Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:09pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	As I say as in my tactical genius thread, ramming an Impduec into corascant isent a geniuse plan.
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RogueJaina Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:15pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	What, chissdude? I think most good villains act clinically insane. If they didn't, it would be much harder to distance ourselves from them. It would harm our identify with hero/ oppose villain mindset. -----signature----- Please welcome our family's newest (future) SW freak: Emma Rose Born April 5, 2004 8 lbs., 2 oz 20 1/2 inches and very healthy and beautiful! The Force is strong with this one!
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chissdude10 Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:24pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Well Dalla was, lets just say a little to spacey for anyone else.
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:26pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains - Date Edited: 11/8/01 1:26pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	Oh, dalla's plan may not have been the most sane thing to do, but it would have been effective in destroying life on coruscant. The tactic was used in marvel, as well as WEG before. A form of anti-mater(Hyper-mater) overload feedback loop. Which can blow up large chunks of space. But it takes a bit to set up and is quite rare.
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chissdude10 Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:28pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Yes, indeed, the vong also did that at you know were in sbs.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:33pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Not necessarily... Grand Admiral Thrawn Baron Fel Admiral Pelleon Moff Disra and his "Triuviant" Henithar Prince Xizor Exar Kun Emperor Palpatine Canor Jax Boba Fett Durga the Hutt Setti Ashgad Roganda Ismaren and Irek Viqui Sheth Warlord Zsinn High Inquisitor Jerec (If that was his title) Even Grand Moff Tarkin and the Yzzumng Vong don't appear so much insane as they appear to be extremely ruthless and brutal individuals. While one might view nationalism and religious fanaticism to be forms of mass madness they are still legally actions that can be tried for. The Empire seems a bit unique among governments because the insane were not removed from their positions because of the gross threat that they proved to their own men as well as the Empire's enemies. I however am questioning whether or not quite a few of these villains deserve not to be "strung up from the highest gallows" but instead regulated to mental treatment facilities throughout the galaxy. Nil Spaar Yssane Isard Darth Vader Lumiya Admiral Krennel Adalic Brandl Jaaib Brandl Leona Tavira Ulic Quel Drommel For instance seem among the best candidates for mental illness and mental treatment along with as stated above...Admiral Daala. One might wonder if the Dark Side of the Force is grounds for an insanity plea.
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:35pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains - Date Edited: 11/8/01 1:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	Well it's been hinted that daala's madness stems from the fact that she was locked up in the maw for so long without outside contact.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:39pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	That's an interesting possibility. While I'm sure Star Destroyers are radiation shielded is it possible that the X-Rays and other rays likely prevalent in the Maw might have effected her (and presumably everyone else onboard the ship's) mental faculties. Combined that with the trauma of being the mistress to grand Moff tarkin admist frequently murderous displays... That might have driven her over the edge.
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chissdude10 Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/8/01 1:39pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Exactly Val, and Thrawns intention while deploying astroids over Corascant was to buy time for his massive invasion. Not to destroy the planet.
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 2:27pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains - Date Edited: 11/8/01 2:33pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	Well, radiation, Lack of outside contact, and tarkin not spurning her, and never contacting her again. Could have all contributed to her state of being. Of course radiation is probably unlikely because we don't see it effecting others living in the maw. Remember there was more than just those on daala's ship who were stuck in the maw as well.
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Tellesto Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 11/8/01 3:05pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Part of the reason might be that she saw a state of order which, she had so openly grasped to and been rewarded with her entire life be destroyed right before her very eyes. For years she had spent time in the company of Grand Moff Tarkin, the ultimate supporter of the power of the Empire. She had been trained that the Imperial Rule was the pure and only answer to all questions in the galaxy and she had been lead to believe that it was something worth fighting for to the very end. It was to her a symbolic crutch to stable her in a world of persecution for her gender and a goal to sacrifice her dignity itself to attain. The second she heard that the Empire had been destroyed while she was locked away was like a fearful murmur, a disgusting and grossly negligent mock to her very life, and she had thus deemed it appropriate to gather her entire forces together to silence that attempt to her pride. And then, the one moment in which, Han Solo pierced the hull of one of her Star Destroyers, simply shattering and destroying it without even giving the action a second thought the grim truth became as hard and real as a crushing blow from a hammer. So she lost it, she was a woman who had been trained to understand and obey a government that had ceased to exist without her knowledge.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/8/01 3:24pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	Fair enough I imagine to think Admiral Daala would be sentenced to a mental institution by an impartial jury rather than execution. I'm surprised Pelleon would follow such a clearly unstable woman however. Then again he pledged allegiance to Yssane Isard and Emperor Palpatine Reborn as well. In effect pelleon seems to epitomize weak minded as the Emperor spawns it. He bows to men and women with power at least until VOTF. So do you think Darth Vader would be found guilty and executed or would his mental health be question... Nah we should probably wait til after Episode 3 to answer that one.
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Terranix Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 11/10/01 12:20pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	I think it's more that all writers not Zhan have a tendency to screw up Pellaeon's character. Of course he's going to follow the Emperor...I mean...it's the EMPIRE. Carnor Jax was quite clearly retarded. Oh, he might've appeared to just be a ruthless type, but, all through the damned book... He knew that Colonel Shev was going to disobey him, he knew thing bad was going to happen to the Steadfast, he knew straight away that the TIE Scimitar was booby-trapped, he knew that those cool, black armoured storm troopers were going to get massacred by Kanos... Right through it, he seemed like a man with a plan. He let the Emperor's Revenge get blown up, when he could quite easily have told Wessel to just blow the damn thing up, or LEAVE it. He could've prevented Shev from screwing up, thus blowing the single greatest chance they had of levelling the Rebel base with Kanos in it. He could've saved some of thestormies, got them to fan out around the squall... He seemed to have a master plan hidden up his sleeve the whole time...& he DIDN'T. I somehow doubt he had been reling on Blim shooting Kanos the whole time. I doubt even more that his plan was to take on Kanos one on one & kill him. I mean, why not just blow the living shi-- ahem...droppings--out of Yinchorr from the star destroyer? Clearly, he was suffering from some sort of deep-rooted paranoia of his past catching up with him. I was really annoyed that he didn't actually do anything of significance. He was a COOL character. -----signature----- For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace & justice in the old Republic. Before the Dark Times. Before the Empire. - Obi-Wan Kenobi ~ http://hangarbay.tripod.com
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/10/01 12:27pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains - Date Edited: 11/10/01 12:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	well, zahn set up pelleon's character as one who never gets premotions, who always remains constantly under the command of higher officers. One who doesn't go very far. Basically a poor, but dependible military man, but not spectaculer. It wasn't until he was an old man that he finally started getting premotions, and it was other authors who helped get him that far.
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chissdude10 Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 11/10/01 12:30pm Subject: RE: Clinical Insanity in EU villains
	But a very very brillient intellecual.
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