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Crow_T_Fett Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/12/02 12:02pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	If anyone here has watched the news for the last few months, you might have seen it mentioned that most of the soldiers on the front lines in Afghanistan are 18-20 years old. Their older superiors tell them what to do, and those young people on the front lines are the ones getting it done. Personally, I think one need look no farther than these heroes to see just what young people are capable of. As for the notion that the Solo kids weren't ready to take on a threat like the Vong at the conclusion of the YJK series, that's probably true. But they've had to grow up quicker than most kids, like their parents did, like my grandparents did when both my grandfathers went off to fight in WWII. My mother's father was just 17. They weren't ready to help lead the fight in the first couple of novels of the NJO. However, they gained valuable experience in those stories, and by the fourth or fifth volume, having them take leading roles was no more out of place than having Luke and Leia assume similar roles in the OT. And finally, I wish people would suspend this argument until the entire series has been written. We simply don't know what kind of role Luke is going to have in future books, and I believe he may very well end up being the hero of the NJO. I had thought Anakin was going to be, but, well...; Jacen and Jaina are both great characters (well, Jaina is, anyway), but I don't think either one has the "Star Power" to be the Savior of the Galaxy, and the hero of the NJO. But we'll just have to wait and see. -----signature----- "Was that the primary buffer panel? Did the primary buffer panel just fall off my gorram ship for no apparent reason?" - Cap'n Mal
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ReaperFett Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 12:09pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	If anyone here has watched the news for the last few months, you might have seen it mentioned that most of the soldiers on the front lines in Afghanistan are 18-20 years old One of the Northern Alliances Generals is 14 -----signature----- http://www.ymdb.com/user_top20_view.asp?usersid=4053 - My top 20 movies. -
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MariahJade2 Title: Former Fan Fiction Archive Editor Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 2/12/02 12:14pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	While I feel that Luke has taken the brunt of the bad writing, I think the younger characters haven't faired quite so well either, and that is one of the reason's that I find them difficult to read. It only served to make things worse when they dumbed down the adults and over emphasized the kids. A well written character should be able to be embraced by readers of any age regardless of the age of the character. Hardly any of the characters in the NJO have been done well in my opinion. -----signature----- Have a question or suggestion for the Archive? Ask the NEWBS! Thank you Phillies! World Series Champs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7CI39brXvw "Why can't us" Best line of 2008
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ReaperFett Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 12:28pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	A well written character should be able to be embraced by readers of any age regardless of the age of the character. Hardly any of the characters in the NJO have been done well in my opinion. I feel they have. Kyp has likers from many ages, and look at the Jacen fan club. And if you want to mention the NJO Critics club, I can counter with how many Zahn critics there are, which would then say that Zahn's characters are just as bad. Shoot -----signature----- http://www.ymdb.com/user_top20_view.asp?usersid=4053 - My top 20 movies. -
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Crow_T_Fett Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/12/02 12:55pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	Good point about Zahn, Reaper. And while I love the NJO and also enjoy Zahn's books, I'm not a big fan of Stackpole. No matter what the book - ANY book - is about or who writes it, there are going to be people who love it, and people who hate it, and no one is going to get the die-hards on either end of the spectrum to change their minds. And about the comment made a few posts ago that Anakin had just experienced his first kiss: so what? You can't be a heroic character if you haven't "gotten some" yet? I didn't see a lot of girls hanging around Luke's farm on Tattooine, so I'd be surprised if he'd done even as well as Anakin by the time of ANH. -----signature----- "Was that the primary buffer panel? Did the primary buffer panel just fall off my gorram ship for no apparent reason?" - Cap'n Mal
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Anakin SkySolo Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 1:53pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME... - Date Edited: 2/12/02 1:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Anakin SkySolo
	MariahJade2-- A well written character should be able to be embraced by readers of any age regardless of the age of the character. Which has happened with the NJO, as ReaperFett pointed out. I've enjoyed the characterizations in the NJO just fine. And I'm in the Jacen Solo Fan Club. Hardly any of the characters in the NJO have been done well in my opinion. Why do you think your inability to enjoy various characters in the NJO has any connection to your age? I'm just a few years younger than you, but I wouldn't cite my age as a factor in my enjoyment of the characters. -----signature----- Mike McKean "Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must." --Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Dewlanna Solo Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 1:58pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME... - Date Edited: 2/12/02 2:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dewlanna Solo
	Crow_T_Fett: And about the comment made a few posts ago that Anakin had just experienced his first kiss: so what? It was meant just as another way to show how young Ani is. While we are on the subject of young warriors' ages: 15, and 16 is a lot younger than 19 or 20. I know that no one under 17 believes this, but by the time most ppl reach 25 or 30, they realize what a big difference there really is. -----signature----- Those who will not follow are doomed to lead.
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Raz927 Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/12/02 2:02pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	Ok people who say "Hey!! You don't need to kiss girls to lead dangerous missions!", lol, I was making a point that Anakin had yet to EXPERIENCE many things, and in a mission as dangerous as that one was, I don't see how you can argue otherwise. If you are trying to say you think it was wise to send 16 teenagers on that mission, that begins with getting captured and tortured, then I'm not gonna argue with you. If ya don't think life experience in general helps with leading an army, then I really can't argue with you. As far as it taking a lot of effort to stop Tahiri from going, good thing Luke didn't make an effort then, god forbid if Tahiri threw a tantrum. And you can argue that it wasn't Lukes decision, it was Anakins, fine. I have a problem with Luke allowing it to be Anakins decision. Whenever the "new jedi" have disobeyed Luke things have gone fairly well, when he finally backs them on something, things go horribly wrong. And yes I have a problem not only with how Luke was portrayed, but most of the characters were portrayed. Anakin had just taken great risk to try and save Jaina, and payed for it. Jaina thinks "I can't really blame him, I'd have done the same for him." And then her and Jacen leave him because lil bro is ordering them too. Why? Because it is what their characters would have done? No, because Anakin had to die and they had to leave so that they could go back for his body. They had to follow the storyline, it doesn't matter what their characters would have done. Then Jaina, the new dark side using, irrational, angry Jaina, leaves her other bro to the vong. Why? Because it is what her character would have done? No, because the storyline called for Jacen to be captured and Jaina to escape and for it to stay that way for a couple books. All along, it is my opinion, that the NJO have abused who characters were and what their decisions and actions would be to further their storyline. I've talked with people who have read the YJK series, and have heard Jacens portrayal there doesn't have much to do with Jacens NJO portrayal. I'm talking about the indecisive, not wanting to use the force, I want to be a monk/hermit, obsessed with not going to the dark side Jacen. Why? I'm sure you'll find out in the next couple books, and again it's to advance their storyline.
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Crow_T_Fett Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/12/02 2:13pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	Dewlanna Solo, just to clarify something, early in the NJO, when the kids had lesser roles, the twins were 16 and Anakin 15. But by SbS, when they've assumed larger roles, the twins were 18 and Anakin 17. In other words, not much younger than Luke and Leia in ANH, with a lot more "life-experience." (Denning refers to Jacen and Jaina as 19, but that's an error on his part; they're still 18). I'm a few years older than that, but still young enough to say "hey, there's big difference between 16 and 18." -----signature----- "Was that the primary buffer panel? Did the primary buffer panel just fall off my gorram ship for no apparent reason?" - Cap'n Mal
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 2/12/02 2:13pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	Crow_T_Fett, I'm getting rather tired of hearing people tell me to 'wait' for a good Luke book. I've already been waiting through ten books and two and a half years. Fans who like Luke and have purchased all ten of these books have paid approximately $125 dollars for three hard cover books and seven paperbacks and have yet to see Luke "shine" in an NJO book. I think even a Jedi would lose patience by now! Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but I can say that within my own real-life circle of adult family and friends, the NJO and the young Jedi knights are not popular. My two brothers, who have always been huge fans and who got me interested in Star Wars, have stopped reading the books, one after ONSLAUGHT, the other after STAR BY STAR. Two real-life friends who always purchased the Bantam books the first day they were available, aren't reading them anymore either. Del Rey is doing something wrong if a significant number of long-time fans are reluctantly giving up a hobby that they've enjoyed for a long, long time because the NJO has disappointed them so much with its darkness and its poor portrayals of the Original characters, Luke Skywalker in particular
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Crow_T_Fett Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/12/02 2:23pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	ChildOfWinds, all I can say is that maybe you should stop buying the books until the series is completed, and find out from some fans who've finished it whether Luke returns to being the character you're looking for. If so, you might even be able to get them from the library by then and save yourself some money. Again, what some people see as "poor portrayals of the original characters," others see as the natural changes in people's personalities as they get older. Let's remember that this is now almost 28 years after ANH. For anyone who's old enough to have known someone for 28 years, are they the same person today that they were back then? Probably not. For all the critics the NJO has, I think there would be even more if they were still trying to show the characters as they were in the movies, as though all the years in between had not affected them, or influenced who and what they've become today. -----signature----- "Was that the primary buffer panel? Did the primary buffer panel just fall off my gorram ship for no apparent reason?" - Cap'n Mal
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Dewlanna Solo Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 2:41pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME... - Date Edited: 2/12/02 2:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dewlanna Solo
	But by SbS, when they've assumed larger roles, the twins were 18 and Anakin 17. Has it been 2 years alreay? Stang, how time flies when you're having a lousy time Are you sure about those ages? I thought Anakin was just about to turn 15 in Onslaught and that the twins were just barely 16 in VP. Have two years of story time really passed since the start of VP? It doesn't seem like that long given that the NR hasn't figured out how to defeat the Vong yet. -----signature----- Those who will not follow are doomed to lead.
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ReaperFett Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 3:07pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	roughly two months a book -----signature----- http://www.ymdb.com/user_top20_view.asp?usersid=4053 - My top 20 movies. -
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JediJSolo Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/12/02 3:10pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	I thought Anakin was just about to turn 15 in Onslaught and that the twins were just barely 16 in VP. Not exactly. Jacen and Jaina were 16 by the end of YJK. That means that they were well on their way to being 17 by the time of VP. And Anakin, being 1.5 years younger then his older siblings, would very likely have been 17 by the time of SbS. I can’t recall it actually saying that in the book, but it isn’t unlikely. -----signature----- The Force reflects the life that creates it... Constructive criticism or reviews requested: http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/20439765/?3
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 2/12/02 3:12pm Subject: RE: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME...
	Much of my explanation of Luke in NJO is creative, it works by reading between the lines to material that simply is not in the books. A related matter to NJO critics is that in DJ Jag Fel arranges a meeting with Luke. Ah, then the kids are taking charge is the cry! But as of now I think not. Think it over. We know from VOTF that Baron Fel and Luke know and respect each other, Fel has instilled a sense of respect for the Jedi in his son. See his talk with Jaina in Ruin. Therefore he asked to see Luke and Luke allowed him to, Jagged Fel would not have the gall to tell Luke Skywalker to come and see him, the kid is incapable of doing so as he is very hot on protocol. Therefor Jag Fel's request to see Luke can be seen as a sign that Luke is returning to his proper status. Jedi Ben p.s. KK: Plenty of time for you to yet experience that first kiss! I know of what I speak! -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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