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Veztar
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2/25/03 6:25pm
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Star Wars is a mythology. Mythology is not exactly known for being perfectly consistant or clear. It is debatable what "really happens" and what counts. That's what makes this stuff so interesting. There's too much data for anyone to know everything.
I'm committing a little heresy here but I challenge the absolute accuracy of the movies. There could be flaws. For instance, in TPM when they talk about Midi-Chloriens. Small things.
Whether the cartoons are "real" or not depends on how they come out. When they do there's going to be a thread here on whether they are or not, and they'll have all their quotes from movies technical guides and EU as to why. That's what distinguishes Star Wars from the other Sci Fi out there. We can do this, and there will never be a winner, because it's a form of mythology and can have several interpretations/versions no one is completely "right."
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Gandalf the Grey
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So even if the cartoon is considered EU , still it will have to portrait things as they must be shown in Ep3
Psst! So does the EU.  Part of the fun of the EU is that it does tie into the movies, and it does hold true. For example, Dooku appeared in the EU novels months before AOTC was released. In this, the cartoon will be no different from the rest of the EU.
As for size of the potential fan base affecting the status of the shows as EU, Yoda said it best: "Size matters not."
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Meatypants
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EU or not EU, it's most likely going to be a fun event. We've all proven over the last few years how immature we are as a community when it comes to discussing EU. The less we say about the "c" word, the happier EVERYONE can be.
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Guinastasia
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2/25/03 7:11pm
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What Otis Frampton said.
To me, it's all canon and even if tomorrow George Lucas says that to him, nothing in the EU ever happened, that wouldn't matter-because I still get enjoyment from it.
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Otis_Frampton
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To me, it's all canon and even if tomorrow George Lucas says that to him, nothing in the EU ever happened, that wouldn't matter-because I still get enjoyment from it.
Thanks for the support! 
And it's funny you should put it that way, because that's exactly how I see it. To me, nothing in the EU ever did happen. To me, it's all alternate universe stuff. This allows me to enjoy some of the dreck out there in the EU, while not allowing it to affect the film universe at all.
Works pretty well, too.
-Otis
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OwenSkywalker3
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I agree with Otis. Finally, a voice in the desert, crying out "Make straight the path!"
Personally, EVERYTHING that I didn't see in a theater is EU. That's right, EVERYTHING... even my beloved VS. HAH! SO THERE! That way, I can enjoy all the dreckmedia that is produced by LUCASCORP.
I long for the days when the people on these boards arguing the whole "canon/EU" bit were otherwise occupied...
... with more theological issues, like whether Kirk or Picard was the better Captain  ...
LET THE FLAMING COMMENCE!
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NiktoJedi9
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This whole "canon/non-canon" thing is curious to me.
It's all fiction. What does it matter? In my mind, the movies are the movies and everything else is, well, everything else.
But that's just me.
If you want to disregard some book, or comic or television show, that's your choice. If you want to incorporate it into the larger story in your mind, that's fine too. Heck, you could even incorporate fan fiction, if you wanted to! In the end, it's still all just fiction.
You don't need the OS to validate your imagination.
Finally someone puts into words what I've felt all along.
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Kreuzader
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Gandolf is correct concerning the EU and the PT; those of you who don't follow it currently may not know this, but Lucas let the licensing division look at the script for AotC well in advance, so even the novels before The Approaching Storm had Episode 2 references in them (Cloak of Deception, a pre-TPM novel on the timeline, has various future Separatist guilds and representatives as fairly prominent characters).
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Oscar_the_Gungan
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Here is my take on it.
Any bridge stuff set during the time period the current movies are set, between TPM and Episode III should probably be taken as slightly closer to canon than other stuff. The reason is is that Lucasfilm will probably closely monitor this stuff so they don't contradict the current films. One of the reasons for all the Clone Wars, books, comics and animation, besides bringing in revenue, is to fill in the gap between AOTC and Episode III. I think all this stuff is trying to set the stage for the last film so that us hardcore types won't be asking ourselves a million questions when Episode III opens up with the final battle of the Clone Wars. One thing I am noticing in the comics being released is that the Clone Wars are dividing the Jedi ideologically. This makes sense to me. what better way to defeat them than to divide and conquer. A jedi working for Tyrannus may think they are on the side that will do the most good. It doesn't mean they are breaking the Sith rule of only two.
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Terranix
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2/26/03 9:36am
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According to LFL, everything is canon. Everything not the films is EU, but the EU is canon, so that dosen't matter.
But you can take it or leave it, I guess. Its your party.
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Padme Bra
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2/26/03 2:32pm
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I'd hoped not to get a lot of EU/canon arguing in this forum but if it must be done, let's keep it in this topic at least.
I figure anything other than the six theatrical films is EU. Whether or not it's canon, I dunno, fight that issue among yourselves. I personally don't think so but that's just my opinion.
I think the Clone Wars show is unique in that it's probably watched very closely by Lucas, right about the time that he's writing Episode III. So I don't think there will be many contradictions between it and the final film and some plot points in the show might actually give hints to what happens in E3.
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Darth McClain
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Well put Padme. EU is anything that is not a Star Wars movie. Clone Wars is a series of shorts and not on the big screen. By default, it's EU.
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Goo_Child
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Well I think it's EU that doesn't mean it isn't canon. This is a touchy subject with some people.
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DARTH-LUCCHESI
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i agree with utility-belt the cartoon will be considered canon....the perfect example would be the novel approching storm....it takes place on anasion which mace windu in atoc said something to the effect that obi-wan and friends just returned from a mission there. also the double bladed light saber was i read somewhere was taken from one of the sw comics from dark horse.
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Leto II
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This show is not one of the movies – it expands off of the movies – so it is EU. The official site supports this idea, putting it up as an EU feature. The EU is the official continuation of the story of the movies (excepting the parts of the EU that are Infinities). This show ties into the existing EU. So, this show is part of the official continuation of the story of Star Wars. That is undeniable. True, in a fashion, but the NPR radio dramas are nominally considered to be "secondary canon," thanks to the involvement of many of the film-production personnel with it. It might also come to be seen that the animated series falls under this rubric, too...just recently heard that Hayden Christensen is set to voice Anakin on the show, so this is a good sign that Lucas's side of things (the films, the actors, etc.) is synching up with LFL and making this as close to the films as possible.
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