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TigerCraneFist
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3/4/03 4:37pm
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RE: Why all the Clone Wars Cartoon Backlash?
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wow, darth__vengeant, chill man!
We all appreciate to hear your oppinion and we totally respect it, but there's no need to go and call people "moronic"!
Cool down a little, okay..
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weezer
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3/4/03 9:12pm
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Well you know diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
You hated the style for Jedi v. Sith. I loved it.
You like Dan's style in Republic. I think its nice but a touch to realistic for my taste.
My point is that "style" should be the last reason for anyone to put down the Clone Wars cartoon, yet that seems to be the only thing that anyone has. ?:|
As for sloppy and simple. I think you can ask any artist how dificult it is to do convincing straight line work like that.
Heck Jim Lee has even said that he wishes he could draw more like Mike Mingola.
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Punisher
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3/5/03 2:10am
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Well, no need for me to say anything...
Darth__Vengeant, I agree with you.
The irony is, I don't have cable or satellite, so I won't be seeing the cartoon and really don't care to.
The art style, the length, the subject matter, the name dropping of creator and previous work, means nothing to me. Just going by the description and picture on the Offical Site, is enough for me...
I'm sure everyone else will watch and eat it up, but because some of us don't particularly care about this cartoon, that doesn't mean that we have abandon SW or a bunch of SW Nazi's.
I think people that take the time to have honest, legitimate reasons like Darth__Vengeant, should speak their mind, although somepeople may be put off by his "style".
Remember... mindless bashing and praise won't make things better, that leads to conflicts and poor behavior. 
If someone isn't happy, I feel they should speak up... SW fans don't fans to be CLONES, do they? 
I don't think so. 
After what happened when TPM came out... no backlash is surprising to me.
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DarthSapient
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3/5/03 7:06am
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Exactly. It's okay to disagree or love it so long as it's done responsibly and respectfully. And folks, if someone doesn't like something, even if they strongly do not like something, that doesn't mean they don't like Star Wars or should leave the site. That's a very weak comeback and a sign of one's own inabilities to see things objectively. After all, anyone who takes the time to register here, even if all they do is post once and troll, are all Star Wars fans and they wouldn't have posted otherwise.
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Padme Bra
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3/5/03 12:03pm
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I said this before but I really don't think that style of animation is appropriate for Star Wars. I htink if they're not going to use CGI then I think they should use a style of handwritten animation that lends itself to more detail. But hey, it's Star Wars. I'll get used to the style and I'm sure I'll dig it. The length of the shorts is a bigger issue for me. I honestly don't see how a coherant story can be told in 2-3 minute chunks. That's more suited to a comedy with a quick setup and a punchline. But, who knows, we'll see. I'm definitly willing to give it a chance.
Besides, this could just be a prologue. Dexter's Laboratory started out with the same format and it moved on to become a regular series. I've never seen it myself but that's what I was told.
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weezer
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3/5/03 12:11pm
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Actually lots of Cartoon Network shows start out as shorts. They have a certain show that is nothing but shorts and alot of the CN shows have come from it. Dexter was first shown there but it wasn't like they were showing a whole bunch of eposodic ones in between other shows like they are for Clone Wars.
This is the first time that they've done anything like this.
So who ever told you that was wrong PB
I do think that this isn't the last that we've seen of SW animation though. I know it isn't "proof" of anything but I don't think that Hasbro would of extended their licence to 2057 if they didn't know that LFL had something up their sleeve.
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Padme Bra
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3/5/03 12:38pm
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Ok, fair enough. I didn't think that they were necessarally episodic but I do believe they started out as shorts.
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weezer
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3/5/03 1:23pm
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Ok, maybe "wrong" was the wrong word. They did start as shorts (as part of a college animation project IIRC) and were shown first on the Cartoon Network show "Cartoons Cartoons". Like I said almost all of CN's orginal programing are first shown on this show. More recently people have been able to vote on the next show after seeing the short.
So my only point was that you couldn't draw parallels between the two. One is a guy that draws something people like and is lucky enough to get it picked up, the other is a very structured formulaic marketing campaing.
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snap-hiss
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3/5/03 4:12pm
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I honestly don't see how a coherant story can be told in 2-3 minute chunks.
I really don't think that's what they're going for. I don't feel that there is going to be a whole lot of in depth story. Mostly just eye candy and cool visuals.
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DarthSapient
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3/6/03 8:39am
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And that is fine, too. I'll just have to be patient and hope for the best.
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R2-MeToo
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3/6/03 11:43am
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Goodness, such strong emotions here!
Let me say this: I'm not advocating that we should all embrace all things Star Wars just because they ARE Star Wars. I, for example, am not a fan of the EU, in general. I've read several of the novels, and I just can't get into them. That being the case, I certainly can't say everyone should love everything Star Wars, because I don't myself.
What I'm trying to get across (and forgive me - I tend to be a bit "moronic") is that at least we HAVE new Star Wars! Sure, I don't read EU novels or comics, but I'm glad they exist. Same with the Clone Wars cartoon. At least we are being given something that some of us may enjoy (but not all of us, to be sure), rather than just being relegated to watching VHS tapes of the Original Trilogy over and over (although some of us do that, anyway).
If you don't care to watch The Clone Wars when it arrives, don't. I will, unless, after the first episode (yeah, yeah, three minutes hardly counts as an "episode" of anything), I decide that it sucks donkey. I'm keeping an open mind, though. I WANT it to be good. That's all I'm saying.
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darth__vengeant
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3/7/03 9:10pm
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Its sounds so pethetic to me when people say "Ohh, its Star Wars..so I have to like it" "At least we HAVE Star Wars" or "I'll like it just BECAUSE its Star Wars" Well, some people have trendy tastes because thats what they are force fed on the mass media and they dont know any better. Some people, like myself and wife, go our own way...not because we want to be "different" (thats for high school kids) but becuase its so boring and repedative to like "trendy" things. People should NEVER like something JUST BECAUSE its "Star Wars" or "MTV" or "The Gap" and sithspawn like that. Do you know how weak minded that is?
Where will all the talent and imagination go if its just mass trends and the essembly line? Well, you have your answer....look at Movies now days. Look at the MTV "music" (more like a mathematical formula for CASH). Sequels and Prequels mania. Remake central. God, they are even remaking Dawn of the Dead and yet ANOTHER Halloween movie. LOL. WHat a bunch of GARBAGE!!!! But hey, its "garbage" so we have to like it, and we have to accept it because its "garbage" right? You getting my point now? Good.
I was excited to see a SW cartoon about the Clone Wars, but after seeing the art and knowing that SJ guy is doing it, AND its only 3 measly min a week....just forget it (as I stated in my earlier post)!! Im sure the voice acting will be good and the music, so i'll watch it for the story line and music (me being a musician). But, as usual, im tired of saying "Man, this could have been so much better if people would get of their a$# and do it RIGHT!" about everything now days.
So, I know some of you will think im "harsh" (and by the way, im quite "calm") in my view's, but hey, Ive been into this since 77 and ive seen it all go downhill. I have a whole storage space filled with Star Wars items and such. I also write music based in the Star Wars realm. Yes, I love Star Wars, but ALOT of it is CRAP! I dont like something just because its SW, never. I demand talent, and I demand the best or nothing. (Thats why I like Nintendo, less games, better games) Write developers and tell them your views and ideas to help them. People need to be pushed to do better or things will......like they have....go to pot. The drive to do better produces better people and better talent.
In the end...the Clone Wars Cartoon could be ALOT better. ALOT.
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OwenSkywalker3
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You know, I was fully prepared to NOT like the CW cartoon at first, but as soon as I saw the first report on TOS, I started watching as many episodes of SJ as I can (not easy, if you know anything about waht's been going on in my little world for the past couple weeks). And, I dunno, it has really GROWN on me. I didn't really think I'd like the cartoony art, but I kind of dig it now.
Also, I think I'm becoming paranoid about EpIII being the LAST STAR WARS FILM EVER, so I'm frantically enjoying as much "official" stuff as I can. AS I've mentioned in the past on these boards, I remember the long, dry, bitter years between the end of the Marvel Series and HTTE. Of course, it will only be the Until LAST STAR WARS FILM EVER UNTIL Rick McCallum decides he wants to SSSSSSSSSSSSQUEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZe a few more bucks from us knuckleheads...
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DarthSapient
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3/11/03 8:17am
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And I did the same thing. I had never even heard of Samurai Jack until the Clone Wars information came about. So I watched a few episodes and felt like I was watching any of a thousand same-style cartoons that exist nowadays. I feel that particular style lacks creativity, depth, and it makes me feel like I'm watching Speed Racer or Pokémon.
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Forcebewitya
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3/11/03 7:09pm
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ok i havent been a hardcore fan as long as some of you becuase i wasnt born back then but still im psyched about the cartoons as everyone im skeptical and even more as a artist myself and knowing very well that i could draw that kind of stuff in my science notes but you gotta look past that stuff and look at it this way that its Star Wars!!!!! i mean everyone got all pissy about episode 1 i personally liked it and then there are some things i dont like about it (Jar jar) anyway the short story still could be good and every star wars fan is gonna watch it dont tell me you wont i no you will how could anyone resist?
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