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obeerwankenobi
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Date Posted:
11/12/03 6:41am
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Episode 1 should have been the "Cartoon"
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I enjoyed TPM and AOTC...and these new cartoons are really spectacular for what little time they are on the screen. I can't help but feel though how much better the PT would be had it started with AOTC (with some minor changes to better introduce characters) then the 2nd movie focus on a live action clone wars and breakdown of relationship between obi and ani just like these new cartoons. (what a great movie they would make!) then the third movie be what its going to be.
And if GL really wanted to he could have made TPM the "cartoon episode"...it practically already is....
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darcphoenyx
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11/12/03 6:47am
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I enjoyed TPM and AOTC...
Interesting opening for what comes out as a boderline basher post.
Wrong forum though.
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royalguard96
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11/12/03 6:52am
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Episode 1 should have been the "Cartoon"
But it wasn't. The TPM forum would welcome your input, however 
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Darth_Zoo
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11/12/03 2:17pm
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It's been discussed before that TPM should have been a series, or cartoon and not an official chapter. I like the idea that TPM should have been the preface of the saga... mmm sort of like "The Hobbit". But that's just becuase I could always go for 4 new SW movies!
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darth_paul
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11/12/03 4:57pm
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I actually like that idea too.... Good thought.
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snap-hiss
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11/12/03 7:26pm
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TPM sets up many things that need to be set up.
Palpatine becoming Supreme Chancelor
Anakin being taken in by the Jedi
the Sith emerging
the begining of the CIS
Obi Wan's dedication to his master, thus giving weight to his promise to train Ani
Ani's troubled start as a padawan
All of these things need to be delt with, and these all must occur before the subject of the Clone wars even comes up.
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darth_paul
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11/12/03 8:36pm
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There are many ideas that must be set up for ANH that were fleshed out in the novels years and years later. The trilogy is a self-contained story; the backstory is separate.
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Mertroid
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11/13/03 6:22pm
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I think it would be wrong and scary to have Episode 1 as a cartoon. I mean the other movies aren't so it shouldn't be and I like it the way it is 
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darth_paul
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11/13/03 6:49pm
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Well, no, the idea (as I understand it) was that we would have (titles stupid, I know):
Episode I: Attack of the Clones
Episode II: The Clone Wars
Episode III: Rise of the Empire (yeah, yeah)
And there should have been an hour-long animated made-for-TV prelude entitled "The Phantom Menace." I like that setup much better.
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obeerwankenobi
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11/13/03 9:36pm
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RE: Episode 1 should have been the "Cartoon"
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yes, darth_paul that is exactly what i am talking about. I am not trying to put down Episode 1 in anyway...( i own the DVD, the VHS, and saw it countless time in the theater)i jsut think it would have been better as a made for tv cartoon...and these clone wars cartoons make me smile at each episode (much like kit fitso in the most recent episode) i would have loved to this have this kind of action in the movies. I am glad Ep1 was made. I am glad the "clone wars" are a cartoon...i would just be ecstatic if it were the opposite
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DarthStinkyBritches
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11/14/03 5:25am
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<i>There are many ideas that must be set up for ANH that were fleshed out in the novels years and years later. The trilogy is a self-contained story; the backstory is separate.</i>
not sure what you mean here. (and this is the completely wrong forum for me to be asking this...but). Everything I got out of ANH was fleshed out for me in the movies. You don't NEED books to supplement the story. Purists don't even consider EU "real". GL got across what he needed to get across in his movies. Same with EP1. No need to have hoped it was a cartoon. An all Clone Wars movie would have been good eye candy that would cause simultanious geek orgasms throughout the world, but to the overall SW saga it would be a pointless endeavor and waste of a movie that could other wise be used for a more important plot other than a giant war and that's it.
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royalguard96
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11/14/03 7:40am
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The prequels aren't about the Clone Wars, despite what many would like to beileve. It's about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker and how the Republic evolves into the Empire.
The way the Clone Wars are being handled is perfect, IMO. Flesh them out so they are their own story, but they don't detract from the most important story that's being told.
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darth_paul
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11/14/03 10:19am
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See, to me, the information in TPM is inessential. Anakin is the Chosen One? They explain that in AotC. The Sith are back? They explain that in AotC. Anakin loved Shmi a lot? They explain that in AotC. The blockade of Naboo didn't really contribute deeply to the AotC plot, other than setting up Palpatine's ascension to Supreme Chancellor. But why do we need to know how he ascended? I agree that everything we needed to know about ANH was told in ANH; I just think that, with a very tiny bit of minor tweaking, the same could have been true of AotC, that TPM was really fairly inessential to the Fall of the Republic or the fall of Anakin, except in the most general of ways.
Edit: And I think if starting with the Clone Wars would not have begun early enough to really see the beginnings of Anakin's fall, we would have been better-served by a movie after the beginning of Anakin's training. We just don't learn anything about Anakin other than that he's a good racer and he loves his mother in TPM. If he'd been a brooding boy played by Haley Joel with a bit of anger in him, I might see it differently. As is, I don't think TPM is an important part of his characterization.
And, I know the prequels aren't about the Clone Wars. But I think Anakin's most important development probably took place over the course of the Clone Wars, and thath would have given us the clearest idea of how and why he fell.
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jp-30
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11/14/03 11:49am
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I agree with you, and posted a similar discussion in the "Star Wars Saga" forum a ways back about the missed opportunity in Episode 1;
In the context of the Saga, was there an opportunity to better utilise Episode 1?
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JediTrilobite
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11/14/03 12:09pm
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The entire PT should have taken place during the clone wars...
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DarthStinkyBritches
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11/14/03 12:54pm
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TPM also set up how Anakin was the nicest boy you'd ever meet. So, it'd mess your head up as to why someone so nice and willing to help would turn out to be the most evil sumbitch in the galaxy.
Palpatine needs to look like a good guy too. That's why it's call "The Phantom Menace". You don't know where the trouble is coming from. They needed to establish where Anakin's love for Padme came from. All this stuff is better seen on screen than referred to in passing in another movie.
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