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MistrX
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3/25/07 12:11pm
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Darth_Monterrible posted:
If you watch ep 3 closely, there is a moment half way into the fight between sidious and mace where the emperor could have struck him down and doesn't. It was necessary for mace to win that fight in order to set up Anakin's choice.
Really? When did that occur?
Personally, I still think even though Palpatine probably let Mace beat him, if Anakin had never shown Mace would have won. I think certain Jedi have various strengths that work better against certain opponents' weaknesses. It's the reason Dooku can handle Obi-Wan fairly easily while Obi-Wan can turn around and take someone like Maul or Anakin out. If I were to make a list, I'd probably put it something like this...
As of Episode III
Mace
Palpatine
Yoda
Anakin
Dooku
Obi-Wan
Just my feelings on that.
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DarthPower
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3/27/07 6:11am
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theres no way Mace is gona beat Yoda in a fight. im sorry, but just not gna happen. the concept of Mace was that he was supposed to be the second best jedi during the prequels, after yoda. but end of the day he was a minor character just created for the prequels, so i seriously doubt Lucas wuld make him a tougher jedi than Yoda whose considered "THE MASTER" in Lucas's own words, and who has been a legendary character since the original trilogy.
also Obi-Wan cant take Maul. he got lucky right at the end of the huge lightsaber trio fight, the majority of which Maul was fighting 2 Great Jedis. Heck Obi-Wan culdnt even have taken Qui-Gon at that stage in his jedi career. but they had to make the goodies win somehow in that movie. and they had to have Obi-Wan somehow survive so he culd live till the next trilogy. and obviously Qui-Gon culdnt survive as we knew he didnt train anakin. it was simply the will of the force for young Obi-Wan to be the only survivor of that epic battle.
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CucumberBoy
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3/31/07 3:57am
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Allright people - you're talking about the jedis and siths as if they were pokemon cards. C'mon - there were different situations and conditions every single time.
Personally - I'd say Luke 'cause he beat Vader and my money's on a win against Palpatine too if there had been one. The emperor was just lucky when Luke decided to throw away his lightsaber.
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Sinrebirth
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4/8/07 12:52pm
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FireJade posted:
Eventually, it's a possibility. I'm in agreement that as of Bloodlines, which I will admit I haven't yet had the chance to read, it's too early to tell. I'm sure someone could make an argument about inherent connection to the Force, but does EU ever give any concrete evidence of any of that? O.o Unless there's some sort of authentic midichlorian database sitting out somewhere, I'm not sure the EU has actually out and out *said* that Luke has more (or less) potential than Jacen/Kyp/etc.
Kyp made a comment that he was more pure power than Luke, but Allston noted that showed his immaturity. Jacen believes he is nearly as strong as Luke, Mara has admitted he's far more powerful than her.
FireJade posted:
May I ask where "astonishing potential" was mentioned? I'm just curious whether that was from Bloodlines.
Ben's ability to cut himself off from even his parents was taken as a indication of his stunning potential in Dark nest...
FireJade posted:
Speaking of Lomi Plo, how did she get so powerful? Was it just from being the Unseen Queen (and thus she was powerful due to the Killiks and would not perform anywhere near as well without them), or was there something I missed?
Lomi Plo tapped into the Force potential of the entire Killik colony. Sidious did a simialr thing with the citizens of Byss, and Exar Kun did so with a planet of Massasai to seal himself into his pyramids.
Thus, Lomi Plo had a few billion (or trillion) Killiks supplying her with strength, and prior she was a fairly powerful Force user - mind-tricking Anakin Solo, Jaina Solo, Zekk, Jacen Solo and several others all at once.
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Jerdu_Slmor
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4/20/07 7:03pm
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Guys check it
the cats yaw are naming are good but yaw are forgetting people like Tulak Hord yendar platis (the greatest jedi swordsman ever) aenon Jurtis Kaja Sinis Ce Ce Denowai Bontu Sitmus Darth Tantalon Darth Cladar Rido Fander Marka Ragnos darth revan darth Bane Kaja Sinis slew 3 Sith Lords and 17 Dark Jedi in his life due to their attacks on th
the Jedi. The 3 Sith Lords were Darth Mirage, Darth Sinistar and Darth Horrar There are so many qui gonn Kol Skywalker (went up against about a dozen Sith at once and killed at least 7 of them) Kyle Katarn (with no formal training beat 7 Dark Jedi (5 f them one on one, tow of them he beat at the same time, though). Beat Desann when even Luke was unable to). Exar Kun
Kas'im general grievous would hav been syk as heak if count dooku wouldnt have frigged his ship up
I know Kar Vastor wasnt Jedi or sith but he could touch the force so well he is mace windus cousin and bests him in battle twice be4 ultimately being defeated because mace was smarter
he had saber shields or somethin like dat this dude was cool
Id say this would take a very long time to figure out a sure best too much work for one night ill get back 2 u though jus think about all i said
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Master_Starwalker
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How many of those did you get from Supershadow?
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Jerdu_Slmor
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There is an Edit Post button y'know 
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Gorg
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You guys are forgetting the some of the ancient Sith Lords that would wipe the floor with Yoda of Luke or Sidious. Darth Bane came up with the Rule of Two: that there should only be one Sith apprentice and one Sith Master at one time. He also destroyed an entire army of Jedi and an entire army of Sith at once using his cunning. Darth Revan basically conquered the galaxy as a Sith, then conquered it again as a Jedi. Although, Darth Bane became so powerful because he learned from a holocron made by Darth Revan, so I guess that makes Revan more powerful. There's also Darth Nihilus and Exar Kun. Now, about Luke:
Luke is not the most powerful Jedi/Sith. He beat Vader because he said "Be a good guy, Daddy!". It wasn't because he was powerful. Then Sidious died from a cheapshot, so that doesn't prove Luke's power either. I admit that he has a lot of Jedi potential, but seriously, come on! He'd only been training for 5 years! That can't make him a Jedi Master.
I agree that Obi-wan is well-rounded but if he walked into a room with Dooku, let's say, he wouldn't come out. He probably couldn't even beat Maul in a fair duel. He only killed Maul on Naboo because Maul got cocky at the end. And Grevious couldn't even use the Force, so that doesn't amount to much.
And Anakin wasn't so powerful as a Jedi. When he became a Sith he was powerful but he lost maybe 20% of his power when he lost his lims and had to wear that suit. Darth Maul isn't so strong in the Force, but he's an amazing fighter. Based on the information above, my list goes something like this:
1.Darth Revan
2.Darth Bane
3.Darth Sidious
4.Yoda
5.Mace Windu
6.Darth Tyrannus (Count Dooku)
7.Darth Nihilus
8.Exar Kun
9.Darth Maul
10.Obi-Wan Kenobi
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CucumberBoy
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Aren't we forgetting something? The Exile beat Revan, Malak, Nihilus, Traya etc etc
Do we have a new champion?
btw, cunning won't necessarily help you in a duel.
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Gorg
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The Exile didn't beat Revan and Malak was already killed by Revan. He beat Traya, but she wasn't all that powerful. He also beat Sion, but since Sion was Traya's apprentice so he can't have been so much more powerful than her. The Exile might still be up there, but he was never really a Sith or a Jedi (he was before the Mandalorian Wars but at that time he wasn't very powerful) and this thread does not include random Force users.
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DarthMateous
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I think Lucas made it clear with the whole midichlorian thing that Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful. Obviously Yoda and Sidious were at the top of the food chain. (I'm not concerned with EU. If I was, then Dorsk81 would be because he force-pushed an ENTIRE FLEET out of a solar system. LAME!!!)
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G-FETT
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I must admit, I'm not a follower of EU (at least not the modern stuff) and I have no real idea who half of the EU characters are. However, a lot of people do get a great deal of pleasure out of EU and the show will actually have its own unique place within the EU arena. 
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