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DarthMateous
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5/17/07 2:22pm
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G-FETT posted:
I must admit, I'm not a follower of EU (at least not the modern stuff) and I have no real idea who half of the EU characters are. However, a lot of people do get a great deal of pleasure out of EU and the show will actually have its own unique place within the EU arena. 
That's an interesting quandary: will the TV series be considered Canon or EU. Technically, it won't be written by GL, but he'll have to approve everything at every stage of the process. Unlike the books, where it's Lucas Licensing that regulates the content (occasionally deferring to GL with big decisions on who can be killed of or not.)
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G-FETT
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Well, that what'll make it so unique. Somewhere between EU and Canon. So, it'll have its own unique place.
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Can we atleast all agree that Mace is the most badass?
He could beat anyone just looking awesome and his opponents would tremble in fear.
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G-FETT
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Well he came unstuck against The Emperor. 
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Darth_Shpydar
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First off, you're making a mistake by seperating EU and Canon as two different things. As per Lucasfilm, EU is canon (the majority of EU, anyway). The difference is in the levels of canon. Obviously, the films and the Word of the Flannel One (known as "G-Canon") take precedence over everything else, and if any cotradictions, Flannel wins. That said, the rest is still officially canon.
As for the TV series, it's been mentioned over at the Official Site (and there's a discussion thread on the EU Lit board here) that the TV series is currently being considered "T-canon", a new catagory which isn't really clear as far as its priority. Speculation right now is that it sits somewhere between the films (G-canon) and the rest of the EU (C-canon, for the most part).
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He kicked Palpatine's wrinkly butt! He just got surprised buy that damn "ani". **** ani.
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Gorg
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DarthMateous posted:
(I'm not concerned with EU. If I was, then Dorsk81 would be because he force-pushed an ENTIRE FLEET out of a solar system. LAME!!!)
So what? Darth Nihilus destroyed an entire planet, and The Exile killed Nihilus in a fair fight even though the dark side is more powerful than the light side.
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Master-Starwalker
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5/22/07 11:38pm
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DarthMateous posted:
G-FETT posted:
I must admit, I'm not a follower of EU (at least not the modern stuff) and I have no real idea who half of the EU characters are. However, a lot of people do get a great deal of pleasure out of EU and the show will actually have its own unique place within the EU arena.
That's an interesting quandary: will the TV series be considered Canon or EU. Technically, it won't be written by GL, but he'll have to approve everything at every stage of the process. Unlike the books, where it's Lucas Licensing that regulates the content (occasionally deferring to GL with big decisions on who can be killed of or not.)
We learned it's under a new categorization of canon which has been dubbed T-Level Canon.
http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/26723694/p1/?71
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DarthMateous
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Gorg posted:
DarthMateous posted:
(I'm not concerned with EU. If I was, then Dorsk81 would be because he force-pushed an ENTIRE FLEET out of a solar system. LAME!!!)
So what? Darth Nihilus destroyed an entire planet, and The Exile killed Nihilus in a fair fight even though the dark side is more powerful than the light side.
Destroying an entire planet? That's even more lame!
Lucas has said that the prequels are the "hayday; golden age of the Jedi" and that we get to see the Jedi fighting during the "prime of the Jedi". I took that to mean that these Jedi are the best of the best.
Yoda is the most powerful Jedi during the period where the Jedi are at their peak. Yet, we don't see him destroying an entire planet or force-pushing an entire fleet out of a solar system. In fact, the biggest object we see anyone manipulate with the force is when Yoda pulls Luke's X-Wing out of the Dagobah swamp.
So the ridiculous feets of the force that Dorsk81 and Darth Nihilus pull off are completely absurd, unrealistic (even in the fantasy world of Star Wars) and inconsistant with the Star Wars universe that GL himself created.
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Lord_Pilaf
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DarthMateous posted:
Gorg posted:
DarthMateous posted:
(I'm not concerned with EU. If I was, then Dorsk81 would be because he force-pushed an ENTIRE FLEET out of a solar system. LAME!!!)
So what? Darth Nihilus destroyed an entire planet, and The Exile killed Nihilus in a fair fight even though the dark side is more powerful than the light side.
Destroying an entire planet? That's even more lame!
Lucas has said that the prequels are the "hayday; golden age of the Jedi" and that we get to see the Jedi fighting during the "prime of the Jedi". I took that to mean that these Jedi are the best of the best.
Yoda is the most powerful Jedi during the period where the Jedi are at their peak. Yet, we don't see him destroying an entire planet or force-pushing an entire fleet out of a solar system. In fact, the biggest object we see anyone manipulate with the force is when Yoda pulls Luke's X-Wing out of the Dagobah swamp.
So the ridiculous feets of the force that Dorsk81 and Darth Nihilus pull off are completely absurd, unrealistic (even in the fantasy world of Star Wars) and inconsistant with the Star Wars universe that GL himself created.
I don't know enough about Dorsk81 to comment on that character, but I have my own way of looking at Nihilus. I view him as more an anomoly of nature or of the Force than an actual sentient being. He's akin to something like a black hole. He was crushed and nearly killed by the extreme gravity well at Malachor V, and he only survived by binding his soul to his armor. During this process, he was bombarded with megatons of radiation and possibly absorbed the souls of all or most of the dead soldiers on the planet, including Jedi.
Could we really consider such a walking anomoly a character anymore, or a force of nature? I see Nihilus as a thing, not a man, and therefore neither Jedi nor Sith. (Indeed, he has no discernable goals which match those of the Sith..he only wants to devour, like a black hole in space.)
So I don't usually count him in lists of most powerful Jedi/Sith. Besides, he had a glaring weakness which offset his power. When he tried to absorb life from a being who was a wound in the Force (the Exile), he lost almost all his power temporarily, becoming much weaker. This leads me to believe that if he attempted to use his abilities on force-void warriors, like the Vong, the same thing would happen.
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well i think luke skywalker deserves the number 1 slot he restored the jedi order and he's been in some of the greatest battles ever seen so my list of to 10 of the best jedi go's as
1.Luke Skywalker
2.Yoda
3.Obi-Wan Kenobi
4.Reven
5.Quinlan Vos
6.Mace Windu
7.Anakin Skywalker
8.Mara Jade Skywalker
9.Kol Skywalker
10.K'Kruhk
the reason anakin and kol are 7 and 9 anakin was a powerful jedi but in the end he fell to the dark side and theres not much about kol before the massacure at ossus but his preformence there put him in my top 10!
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DarthMateous posted:
(I'm not concerned with EU. If I was, then Dorsk81 would be because he force-pushed an ENTIRE FLEET out of a solar system. LAME!!!)
That feat wasn't Dorsk on his own - the pushing of the fleet out of Yavin was through the efforts of all the Jedi on Yavin 4. Dorsk acted simply as the conduit for the force, centralising all the Jedi's efforts. And he died because he couldn't handle the power.
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It's Between Anakin, Yoda, Obi and Mace.
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I love these kind of conversations where people discuss fictional characters with no agreed upon "objective" method by which we can measure strength or power as a Jedi. Does being the most powerful Jedi equate to "the highest midichlorian count" or is it something else? What about skill with a lightsaber? Is that how we measure who is the most powerful Jedi? Or, what about breast size? If that's the case then the "bloobies" make an excellent case for most powerful Jedi ever.
Absent such a criteria, I don't think there's any way to settle this "debate" or "discussion." Here's what I mean:
As I see it, Anakin was not faithful to the Jedi order. He never fully immersed himself in the Jedi order's methodology, rituals, and dogma. That's partly why he turned to the Dark Side. Failure to endure to the end as a Jedi Knight, even in the face of loss and defeat, tells me that Anakin Skywalker could never be considered the most powerful Jedi ever.
What about Mace? He was a leader of the council and dead to rights the most talented Jedi swordsman the order had during the Clone Wars. However, he also was killed by Palpatine. He allowed himself to get distracted by Anakin's presence. He got his arm cut off and then blasted out a window. He got crushed. So, where does he fit in the scheme of things? I am again hard pressed to put him as the most powerful Jedi ever because he failed, i.e., died, where others did not.
Yoda. He's the leader of the Council and has an immense amount of respect and power among the Jedi. He fought Palpatine to a standstill and survived where others failed. He stayed true to the Jedi principles even when the order was crumbling all around him. Yet, he was unable to preserve democracy and the ideals of the Republic that he swore to uphold. Where does that place him? I don't know. He certainly has strength in the force but as a Jedi, he largely failed in his endeavors to protect the peace and justice of the Old Republic.
Obi-wan Kenobi is another Jedi with great talent and skill in the Force. He killed a Sith Lord. He became "The Negotiator" during the Clone Wars and trained Anakin Skywalker. However, that is his greatest failing: Anakin. He was also killed by Vader. Can we put him at the pinnacle of the Jedi order...I think not.
What about Aayla Secura. She has the most recognizable rack among the Jedi order. That places her with a lot of "strength in the force" from my perspective. Yet, she got gunned down by clone troopers so I don't think that despite her precious assets that she can be considered the most powerful jedi ever.
Then there's Luke. Based on the canon of the films, I don't think we can say that Luke was the best swordsman or had the greatest mastery of the force when compared to Mace, Obi-wan, or Yoda. Yet, he succeeded where they had failed. He held true to the Jedi ideals in the face of great loss and refused to join the dark side like his father. But he also had an advantage in overthrowing the Emperor that the other Jedi did not have: he was Anakin's son. Consequently, I don't think there is any way I can give him "extra" weight for restoring peace and justice to the galaxy when it turned heavily on the father-son relationship he had with Vader. This is especially true in light of the Jedi's teachings of "no attachments" and whatnot. As a result, I don't put Luke at the top of the tree either.
Without an agreed upon objective criteria, there's no way to come to a good conclusion.
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Darth_Shpydar
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-polymath- posted:
Without an agreed upon objective criteria, there's no way to come to a good conclusion.
Then it's a good thing this is a "discussion" board, and not a "conclusion" board.  
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