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Darth_Vindex
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Feb '08
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Date Posted:
2/17 12:38pm
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I'm not sure but here's my opinion on the most powerful Jedi
Old Jedi Order:
Yoda
Mace Windu (became a senior council member at the age of 28; makes him second-in-command next to Yoda)
Anakin Skywalker (would have been number one had he earned Jedi Master rank)
Dooku (one of the order's best swordsmen)
Sith Order:
Darth Sidious (slippery is it an illusion or did Mace really defeat him?)
Darth Vader (former Jedi, if he had controlled his fear could have pawned Obi-Wan easily)
Darth Caedus (killed Mara Jade, able to stand toe-to-toe with Grand Master Luke)
Darth Bane
Darth Krayt (former Jedi)
New Jedi Order
Luke Skywalker (son of potentially the most powerful Jedi Knight/Sith Lord ever)
Jacen Solo (as I understand it as a Sith Lord Jacen killed Mara Jade and hid his identity as a Sith from Luke)
Jaina Solo (aside from Luke, is the only one capable of killing Darth Caedus)
On a similar note, could Palpy have been an early experiment of Darth Plagueis? Perhaps even after getting Sidious, old plagueis tried again to see if he could make an even more powerful Sith apprentice. Not for himself, but for Sidious so that Bane's legacy could come to fruition and the entire Jedi Order brought to its knees by the two most powerful Sith Lords in history.
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Master_Starwalker
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2/17 6:11pm
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I like the idea that Palpatine was created by Plagueis(it's a piece of my fanon), but I don't think anything backs it up.
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SaberJedi2
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2/17 6:21pm
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Darth_Vindex posted:
Sith Order:
Darth Sidious (slippery is it an illusion or did Mace really defeat him?)
Darth Vader (former Jedi, if he had controlled his fear could have pawned Obi-Wan easily)
Darth Caedus (killed Mara Jade, able to stand toe-to-toe with Grand Master Luke)
Darth Bane
Darth Krayt (former Jedi)
But Vader kills Sidious in the end! He's definitely the most powerful Sith. The only person ever to beat him was Obi-Wan Kenobi who did not lose or have a stalemate with anyone.
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DBrennan3333
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2/17 11:51pm
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A couple of points:
RE: Obi-Wan v. Yoda
After Order 66, Yoda orders Obi-Wan to battle Vader because, he says, he's not powerful enough to battle the Emperor, and Obi-Wan doesn't dispute the point.
Also, remember in AOTC when Obi-Wan was talking to Anakin about lightsaber skills on the speeder in Coruscant, he cites Yoda as the benchmark. (Something to the effect of, "If you worked on your swordsmanship as much as your flying, your skills would rival Master Yoda's.")
So!....I think Yoda's more powerful than Obi-Wan.
RE: Sidious v. Mace Windu in ROTS.
We don't know for sure whether Sidious lost intentionally, but we do know that he absolutely needed that moment to turn Anakin to the Dark Side. If Anakin hadn't witnessed Mace threatening Sidious, he wouldn't have (a) had the opportunity to deceive himself that the Jedi were staging a coup, and (b) had to become a Sith in order to save Padme. What's more, it's almost certain that Sidious knew Anakin was just about to come in the room, because Sidious had just used telepathy to speak with Anakin when Anakin had been waiting in the Jedi Council room. (I believe this is telepathy rather than a memory because the words that Palpatine uses were never uttered in their conversation from earlier, not even in the screenplay's extended conversation.)
RE: Gauging Jedi power by lightsaber skills.
I don't think that individual fights are the sole basis for judging power. I mean, what if, in some competitive sparring tournament, some faceless Padawan happened to beat Obi-Wan (like some benchwarming baseball player hitting a home run off of Sandy Koufax). Does this mean that he's a superior Jedi, or that on this particular occasion he happened to be a better Jedi/swordsman?
So judging their power can't logically be the linear equation that some people in here seem to think it is. This causes contradictions, such as how Dooku could defeat Obi-Wan in AOTC, lose to Anakin in ROTS, and then Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. It's like rock/paper/scissors, ya know?
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SaberJedi2
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2/18 6:01am
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I suppose that is true. Some of them just could have had a bad day with the saber 
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DBrennan3333
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SaberJedi2 posted:
I suppose that is true. Some of them just could have had a bad day with the saber
Right. If this is not the case, then it opens up the door for all the contradictions and plot holes that this thread has so thoroughly documented thus far. (Such as the Dooku easily defeats Obi-Wan, Anakin defeats Dooku, but Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. Huh?) The only logical explanation is that individual lightsaber fights aren't holy verdicts on who's the most powerful Jedi.
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QuiGon06
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My own personal opinion is that Yoda is probably no. 1 all around. But I must ask this, and someone please answer my question. Was Qui Gon the first to have found how to communicate in the Jedi After Life? When Yoda reffered to this event he even seemed a little suprised as did Obi Wan. So if Qui Gon was the first to do this...shouldn't that put him up pretty darned high?
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Master_Starwalker
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Within the films he's the first, though the EU has some Jedi who appeared as Force Ghosts in the ancient era.
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QuiGon06
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Master_Starwalker posted:
Within the films he's the first, though the EU has some Jedi who appeared as Force Ghosts in the ancient era.
Interesting, I wonder if this was a lost art within the Jedi community over the years in the Old Republic. I only wonder this because it really seemed like Yoda and Obi-Wan were pretty suprised, like he was the first one to do it in a long time.
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Master_Starwalker
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It was definitely lost knowledge, though I think it hasn't been made clear exactly when the knowledge was lost.
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abc21
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3/20 12:34am
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Darth Sidious was way more powerful than nihilus and yoda gave Sidious a battle
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abc21
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Darth Sidious was way more powerful than nihilus and yoda gave Sidious a battle.
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Cren
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3/31 8:49pm
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IT is easy too tell that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful jedi of all time for the simple reason that he destroyed the sith...(true sith)you can say darth kyate or what every is sith but he dosent follow the rule of two so hes not a sith....
He has the most power in the force he restarted the jedi order with out ever being trained fully into the force.He has the most raw force and as time goes on he just learns more then any other jedi ever..
as for obi wan being the most powerful...as much as i love him HES NOT
he be Annie because of his wisdom. he is powerful but its his sprit and courage that makes him better then most jedi as for raw force he isnt the strongest but he has prob done the most lol....including help bring down the jedi order.(NOT HIS FAULT)
Now yoda yoda is the best teacher and VERY POWERFUL in the force he cant be compared to luke beacuse his wisdom and training FAR out do lukes but yoda in turn cant be compared to luke thru power of the force if luke was trained at 3 like most jedis luke would have no contests in the force.....
any more questions i can add more jedi later if u like
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snap-hiss
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4/3 6:48am
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I think we need a Final Four style bracket competition to decide who is the most powerful Jedi.
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friesenjmw
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If I have to say so myself Darth Sidious would be the strongest but if we are just talking about the strongest jedi, I would have to say yoda! Even though I think those two are the strongest neither one is my favorite, close though. My favorite would be Kit Fisto. I wish they made him fight a little better in the movie. I know he is better than that.
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