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Aeneas_Falco
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1/22/06 4:30pm
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MercenaryAce posted:
Luke got shot by a super random thug. If was a great jedi master then, then the jedi are overrated.
Are you talking EU, or the films? If you referring to his being wounded in the hand while fighting on the skiff in RotJ, he was a padawan...not a Jedi master. Luke does not become a Jedi until the very end of RotJ.
But yes, I think you may be overrating the Jedi. They can be wounded or killed by "random thugs." Grievous was not a force user and he killed a couple Jedi. Jango Fett also dispatched one. Scores of them of them were killed by clonetroopers or battledroids. In the TV series, Jedi will most likely be killed by bounty hunters.
They are powerful but not invincible. It isn't true that only a force user can only be wounded or killed by another force user.
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RevantheJediMaster
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Aeneas_Falco posted:
MercenaryAce posted:
Luke got shot by a super random thug. If was a great jedi master then, then the jedi are overrated.
Are you talking EU, or the films? If you referring to his being wounded in the hand while fighting on the skiff in RotJ, he was a padawan...not a Jedi master. Luke does not become a Jedi until the very end of RotJ.
But yes, I think you may be overrating the Jedi. They can be wounded or killed by "random thugs." Grievous was not a force user and he killed a couple Jedi. Jango Fett also dispatched one. Scores of them of them were killed by clonetroopers or battledroids. In the TV series, Jedi will most likely be killed by bounty hunters.
They are powerful but not invincible. It isn't true that only a force user can only be wounded or killed by another force user.
If Jedi are in the TV Series I think we'll get to see some that are powerful. If a Jedi is the protagonist I think he/she will be pretty powerful and will survive all his/her dangerous encounters until the end where he/she would probably die heroicly getting the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance.
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AlrikFassbauer
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If you allow EU, then I'll go for Jedi Master Fay who can be seen in one Clone Wars comic.
This has rather philosophical reasons.
For example, I consider as hints towards her power the facts that
- she was about 3000 years old
- seemingly never used or even never had a Lightsabre.
She resembles in my opinion a *very* different, non-warrior oriented philosophie that seemingly died out much later (and of which Yoda could be the last remainder).
Another thought I have about her is that she might have been much "deeper" into the Force than anyone else. That peserved her life and allowed her to act and solve problems without using a Lightsabre at all.
The later evolved "Warrior Kaste" among the Jedi is all we know - and is seemingly (at least in my concepts) *very* different from this ancient philosophy represented by Fay.
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MercenaryAce
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"die heroicly getting the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are already way, way too many stories about how the rebels got the death star plans. The last thing we need is another explanation to work into continuty.
BTW-a Padawan can't beat Darth vader. Nor could a padwan take out most of Jabba's thugs with only a hand wound to show for it. He was at least a night, not matter whe Yoda said. frankly, I think Yoda was just saying that to get Luke to get off his butt and fight Vader.
What I was trying to point out is that even the best of the jedi have to worry about normal people. Even thugs, who are below bounty hunters and soldiers in skills. Well, that and Luke was not yet at his max power then. He gets better later.
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RevantheJediMaster
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MercenaryAce posted:
"die heroicly getting the Death Star plans to the Rebel Alliance."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are already way, way too many stories about how the rebels got the death star plans. The last thing we need is another explanation to work into continuty.
BTW-a Padawan can't beat Darth vader. Nor could a padwan take out most of Jabba's thugs with only a hand wound to show for it. He was at least a night, not matter whe Yoda said. frankly, I think Yoda was just saying that to get Luke to get off his butt and fight Vader.
What I was trying to point out is that even the best of the jedi have to worry about normal people. Even thugs, who are below bounty hunters and soldiers in skills. Well, that and Luke was not yet at his max power then. He gets better later.
Sorry I did not know but if a Jedi is the protagonist he/she should die heroicly helping the rebels or at least doing something important.
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Well, I think people were on the mark already. There really is no "most powerful" since power can be measured on many different levels.
First things first. GL from the AotC commentary when talking about Anakin, "We're cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi, and the only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark side because the Dark side is more powerful. If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side, which is the Dark side."
The fact that the Darkside is stronger is important if you ask me, for reasons I'll go into later.
Anyway, go by Saber skill? As NG once said, "On AotC, I had to give them levels,' he says, 'Sidious is nine [out of ten]. On this film, Obi is eight -- he's moved up -- Anakin is a nine; Mace is a nine; Yoda is a nine. They're up there with Sidious. Once you get to eight, you have a Pandora's box. You could go any way with it."
Apparently there are no level 10s, so you have to go down to the next level, which is level 9. Now since there is more than one Jedi/Sith at that level, you can't have one "most powerful" and thanks to the NG quote just because Mace beat Sidious and Obi-Wan beat Anakin doesn't mean a thing, since according to that, once you have Jedi with a skill of at least 8, the victor could change any which way.
Force power? Potentially Anakin is the strongest, but he's not at his full potential. Other than that, is Sidious stronger than Yoda, or is he really just equal to Yoda? After all, the Darkside is stronger, so that ups Sidious' power level. What if Yoda were a Sith? That lies with how powerful Yoda could potentially be though, but since he's not a Dark Jedi, that doesn't matter at the moment, but its still something to think about.
Combine those two for a moment. If Yoda and Sidious have the same saber skill as Windu and they both are more powerful force-wise than Windu, would it come down to those two as the most powerful? Well, even so, there are other things to look at.
Is Yoda really stronger than Mace Windu in the Force? What evidence do we have? That Windu needs a saber to block force lightning and Yoda can absorb it? Do we really know if Windu is not capable of that, or did he just not have enough time? Even Yoda was caught by surprise by Sidious' lightning.
All in all, I think its hard to come down to one person as the most powerful. Putting my opinion that there is no most powerful aside, at their peak in the films, it's probably Yoda or Sidious, but who knows. You can't really tell from just looking at things, because there is so much we don't know about characters such as Mace Windu. Only GL can tell us for sure. It's his story, he makes up the rules. If he wants Jar Jar Binks to be the most powerful character ever, then we just have to accept that fact.
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Aeneas_Falco
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MercenaryAce posted:
BTW-a Padawan can't beat Darth vader. Nor could a padwan take out most of Jabba's thugs with only a hand wound to show for it. He was at least a night, not matter whe Yoda said.
And what do you base that on? Both Obi Wan and Anakin did some fairly impressive things while a padawan, and Obi Wan was a padawan when he killed Darth Maul.
There is no reason to doubt the criteria given by Yoda, as the Emperor also seems to agree with him. It is only after Luke has both defeated Vader and fully rejected the dark side that the Emperor acknowledges him as being a Jedi.
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Darth-Aroman
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi posted:
Rubberdirky posted:
Cannot confirm true validity, but I like Supershadows list of Midis at http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html
None of it is valid. All of it is completely made up.
Rubberdirky posted:
...Vader never used lightning that I know of.
This was because both of his arms are mechanical, this is explained in the ROTS Visual Dictionary.
OMG THE VISUAL DICTIONARY OS BULL! MY GOD YOU KNOW NOTHING. Vader preferred choke, not lightning. if he couldn't do lightning because of mechanical arms, then he wouldn't have been able to do choke either. we only saw maul do push, does that mean he couldn't do lightning? NO
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MY friends and i have discussed who is the most powerful jedi and sith of all time. We believe that Luke is the ultimite jedi for he is the living force. What we mean by this is that his father (vader) had an very high midi count. When luke was born this was transferred to him. Luke has more knowledge of how to run a jedi acadmy then most jedi masters because he is able to see things from a different point of view. Other jedi cannot which allows him to learn more than others. Which in turn will strenghting his connection with the force. Luke is the only one who realeased that his father could have remained a jedi if it was not for the ignorence of the jedi council in Anakins time. Yoda was the smartest and could see it coming but the rest were ignorent.The jedi forbid love well the sith allow it this is what caused Vader to become Vader.
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Malikail
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MercenaryAce posted:
BTW-a Padawan can't beat Darth vader. Nor could a padwan take out most of Jabba's thugs with only a hand wound to show for it. He was at least a night, not matter whe Yoda said. frankly, I think Yoda was just saying that to get Luke to get off his butt and fight Vader.
I completely dissagree. I think Luke was a barely trained padawan. By old republic standards he wasn't even that. He had at most a few months training, i would place his total training with a master at around or just under 1 month. He started old when most were trained from birth, luke is a phenom, an adept, he's just the most ridiculously lucky or gifted person that ever lived. That's also why i'd rate him the most powerful. My favorite is kenobi, he's the perfect jedi, everyone loves anakin/vader, yoda and sidious are the archtypes, but luke is the most powerful.
Imagine the reputation he had after episode 6:
Luke Skywalker---
"that's the dude that went into a room with vader and the emporer and he's the only one who came out".
ok i was joking but really i would rate luke most powerful for being able to fight vader to a stand still, learn durring the fight and finally defeat vader. Luke is amazing not because he can beat you before the fight starts but because with almost no formal training he can learn to do things in moments that experienced jedi spend years learning to do.
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He's probably also the only person who could outfly Vader in a one-on-one starfighter duel. Considering that the Rebels sent two squadrons to destroy the Death Star and out of Rogue Squadron, the only two pilots to survive the Trench Run were Luke and Wedge. That's skill.
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Darth-Aroman posted:
OMG THE VISUAL DICTIONARY OS BULL! MY GOD YOU KNOW NOTHING. Vader preferred choke, not lightning. if he couldn't do lightning because of mechanical arms, then he wouldn't have been able to do choke either. we only saw maul do push, does that mean he couldn't do lightning? NO
You do not need arms to use Force push. It's a gesture used to help the user have an idea of what they are doing. Vader doesn't move his hands when he throws the objects at Luke in ESB. In ESB, he chokes Admiral Ozzel without moving his arms at all, he just stares.
Vader cannot shoot lightning. His mechanical arms will not allow it and his life-support suit would fry like KFC on a Friday night.
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 yoda is the most powerful. hands-down. end of thread
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jedi_master_gon posted:
yoda is the most powerful. hands-down. end of thread
Pfft, not at all.
Yoda couldn't even handle Palpatine and Han Solo killed Palpatine.
Besides, Luke cut off his hand which was accompanied with a wonderful
"AAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!"
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vong333
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You know, the most powerful jedi is the one that I have created using the 20d rules. My jedi not only has a wide range of skills, but has the ability of force flight, and when made against the 20d check, I can still travel close to 100 meters vertically and remain on the air. Then again thats rpg, but still. When it comes to this topic, the jedi/sith are way overboard in the eu, and not consistent with the movie jedi/sith.
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