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darth_nemisis
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Sublime posted:
Like the character in the Microseries based on Shaggy from Scooby Doo. The one downside to this movie is that we know who lives and dies, based on ROTS. I remember seeing the CW season 1 microseries and being like "Aayla dies now?! NO!" But she was shown in ROTS.... just to be killed
Yeah, that's true. When we see a new character, it will be like: "Oh, this guy dies." or something similar.
However, there is always a possibility that a new character will be saved and used later, be it in the EU or even possibly the LAS. So, I guess what you said may not always be the case. (Keep in mind, I am only speculating here)
I am really not too worried if Grievous is in the movie or not. It is not like the movie is all that there will be. I am sure we will see plenty of Grievous by the time the series is over.
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hanimal posted:
The only thing that worries me about this movie is it's marketing. It seems to me that the marketing drive for LF has been very subpar for this - Which makes me worry about it's sucess. If this doesn't succeed, then the series likely won't. If the series doesn't suceed, then the Live Action show probably won't happen. And if that doesn't happen, I'll be depressed.
Yeah, that is something that I assume is worrying quite a number of people, including myself. We are only a month and some odd days away and barely anything has been marketed about it. On the contrast, Tropic Thunder is released the same day (which is a bummer), and I have seen plenty of trailers and TV spots for this movie.
I do think we will be seeing more soon enough, especially in early August.
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zombie
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I'd be more concerned about why there's no story, no character, no plot, and nothing worthwhile in the way this sore excuse for a movie's been constructed. I used to think that "its a silly children's film, how hard can you judge it?"--but based on the story spoilers, this is at the bottom of the kids film barrel. How can people possibly be excited about this? The funny part is that before the PT ruined the OT, now this is even managing to ruin the PT. I know you don't apply the same standards to children's films as you do to adult films, but this is the worst Star Wars story I've ever heard of. It would be okay if the eye candy was good, I guess, but the eye candy is awful too. What the hell happened here? Is it really that hard to write a mediocre Star Wars story, even a mediocre children's story? I really don't get it. I hope most eight year olds have better taste than to waste their time on his, there are actually some kids films out there that are worth seeing.
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This movie could be terrible, but at the end of the day it's just a movie and I bet it will be pretty fun. Seriously, if anything you're being pretty rude. I'm sure there are some people on IMDB who would love to hear your opinions, but this isn't the place.
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GARTH_MAUL
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JediMasterShawn posted:
This movie could be terrible, but at the end of the day it's just a movie and I bet it will be pretty fun. Seriously, if anything you're being pretty rude. I'm sure there are some people on IMDB who would love to hear your opinions, but this isn't the place.
This is the place.
zombie's been here a long, long time. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, even if you disagree. We've been over this time again at the JC; this is not a "basher" or "gusher" sanctuary, it's a forum for the free exchange of ideas, in this case with respect to Star Wars TV.
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I agree. While I hope zombie is incorrect and that the movie/series is Star Wars, it could very well be kiddy. I have not personally seen or read the plot spoilers in part because I don't want to extinguish my hope or excitement in the event that it does sounds kiddish and pointless. I'm still hoping that this will fit right into Star Wars and that zombie is wrong, but we'll soon find out.
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Oh no, I'm not saying he can't say the movie might be bad, but I just thought the whole Prequel bashing aspect of his post had no place here. I certainly meant no offense.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
I remember seeing the CW season 1 microseries and being like "Aayla dies now?! NO!" But she was shown in ROTS.... just to be killed
Well, technically we knew she was still alive after series 1 since she had appeared in the comics after it's timeframe, IIRC.
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zombie posted:
I'd be more concerned about why there's no story, no character, no plot, and nothing worthwhile in the way this sore excuse for a movie's been constructed. I used to think that "its a silly children's film, how hard can you judge it?"--but based on the story spoilers, this is at the bottom of the kids film barrel. How can people possibly be excited about this? The funny part is that before the PT ruined the OT, now this is even managing to ruin the PT. I know you don't apply the same standards to children's films as you do to adult films, but this is the worst Star Wars story I've ever heard of. It would be okay if the eye candy was good, I guess, but the eye candy is awful too. What the hell happened here? Is it really that hard to write a mediocre Star Wars story, even a mediocre children's story? I really don't get it. I hope most eight year olds have better taste than to waste their time on his, there are actually some kids films out there that are worth seeing.
Just curious. Did you react with this vile distaste when Droids and Ewoks came out?
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Garth posted:
zombie's been here a long, long time. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, even if you disagree.
Yeah, he is entitled to his opinion, but I don't get why him being here a long long time has anything to do with it. 
Anyway, I can't really comment on how the story is since I haven't read the plot spoilers. However, the "eye candy", looks great if you ask me. It just seems so well done, especially in comparison to other TV shows. Now, I don't think one should compare it to other films because this is a TV show first and foremost.
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zombie posted:
I'd be more concerned about why there's no story, no character, no plot, and nothing worthwhile in the way this sore excuse for a movie's been constructed. I used to think that "its a silly children's film, how hard can you judge it?"--but based on the story spoilers, this is at the bottom of the kids film barrel. How can people possibly be excited about this? The funny part is that before the PT ruined the OT, now this is even managing to ruin the PT. I know you don't apply the same standards to children's films as you do to adult films, but this is the worst Star Wars story I've ever heard of. It would be okay if the eye candy was good, I guess, but the eye candy is awful too. What the hell happened here? Is it really that hard to write a mediocre Star Wars story, even a mediocre children's story? I really don't get it. I hope most eight year olds have better taste than to waste their time on his, there are actually some kids films out there that are worth seeing.
Just curious. Did you react with this vile distaste when Droids and Ewoks came out?
Ewoks is intended for four year olds, and you basically have to have no expectations for four-year-old shows except to babysit them for 30 minutes and hopefully impart a good message, which Ewoks accomplishes; I don't like the show, but I'm an adult, I doubt there is anyone over eight in the world that actual enjoys Ewoks. Droids on the other hand is a pretty good kids cartoon, almost like Transformers was, it had way more maturity and intelligence than the detailed summary of Clone War suggests; its not like I'm expecting kids shows to appeal to me, an adult, or be constructed with the depth and sophistication of an adult show--though the best ones, like Pixar's, are. I just find it shocking how poorly written/plotted the Clone War film is, even by kids shows standards--even if it were a TV show it would be mediocre, but especially as a feature-film its seems particularly hollow; it doesn't help that its an intra-Saga story and thus has to have some responsibility in how it tells the story.
I'm sure the actual film itself will offer some subtlety and character and excitement that is absent from a summation, even a highly detailed one, I imagine this show works much better as a final product than it does on paper--though the clips released so far don't make me confident in this, I say this more on principle than anything. I just think its lazy to just write off everything as "ah, its just kids stuff", I think its empty acceptance like that that leads to people making mediocre products in the first place. But I guess we'll see how bad or good it is when it comes out, I doubt I will ever watch the whole thing.
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Look Transformers:The Movie was a kids' movie, and yet when Optimus Prime dies, I still get choked up. I think most of the theatrical audience was pretty heavily traumatized when 30 minutes into the movie, their hero is killed by Megatron. 
I think what might hurt The Clone Wars (and what hurt the PT) is that Lucas & Co. aren't sure how "adult" or "child-oriented" Star Wars is or should be anymore.
The films became increasingly childish, in a way, from ANH to ROTS. One of the reasons ROTS was a better film than TPM and AOTC is because it wasn't quite as cartoony. Battle droids just do not compare to Stormtroopers as cannon fodder. Lucas could have made the battle droids like HK-47 in KOTOR, but instead they're these laughably useless characters. We can talk about how inaccurate or whatever Stormtroopers are in the OT, but at least they're not The Three Stooges at every possible opportunity.
Kids still like ANH, ESB and ROTS, despite that they're the darkest of the Saga. They get it. Stuff doesn't have to be dumbed down, and of course Star Wars is never an R-rated show, nor should it be. But my hopes were really high when they talked about the Clonetroopers being like "Band of Brothers", and now I'm worried it's going to be more "yuk yuk yuk" stuff.
The other possibility is that Lucas went heavily hands-on for the theatrical film, and the actual written content of the television will be Filoni and team.
I mean, Lucas had to be convinced by a majority of his staff to keep in Yoda throwing his lightsaber into the Stormtrooper's chest in ROTS. That's a bad sign, and I understand where zombie was coming from.
As far as zombie's registration date and post count, I would be lying if it didn't make a difference to me. He's been registered 3 years longer than I have (though I lurked for a long time), and so he's been around the JC fora for 9 years.
Though he obviously has a negative view so far of TCW, I haven't seen anything that falls to simply "bashing"; many of his complaints are quite legitimate.
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Zombie- you say "how hard is it to write a SW movie" but no matter what Lucas comes out with, it will never be as good as the OT. Sure they could put a damper on the PT, but if you hold the movies with a certain regard and respect, it shouldn't matter at the end of the day.
If you think it will be rubish, simple answer would be to not go see it in theatres. Save yourself a good ten bucks and you can ignored and deny that plotline. Who knows, you may turn out to be the smart and lucky one. We could all go see it and hate it, and it could even ruin SW for a few of the toned down fanboys/girls. But what if the movie is actually really good, better than what anyone expected.
All I'm saying is is that you can't exactly base a formal opinion on just the spoilers alone. I cringe at the kiddy humour too, but at the end of the day it's still considered SW and Lucas made it. The spoilers don't have the line by line script, and until then who knows if it is going to horrible or good. Either way, I'm looking excited to it because I could never deny anything SW.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
Zombie- you say "how hard is it to write a SW movie" but no matter what Lucas comes out with, it will never be as good as the OT.
I would never expect that. In fact, I was never crazy about ROTJ and don't think it lives up to the first two films. I wasn't even expecting this series to live up the fundamentally flawed PT, really. And based on what was already released, my expectations from that base were already diminished. All I expect is interesting visuals, a half-decent plot, good writing, some reasonably exciting action scenes and likeable characters. In other words, the typical expectations viewers ought to hold films accountable for. But every time something is released about this series, its awful; the look is awful; the storyline is awful; the details of the plot are awful; the dialog--what little there is--is awful; the action even looks awful based on the wealth of action scenes already released. I honestly can't find anything good to say about this series, and I'm a guy who owns six Godzilla films, fourteen Jackie Chan films and Troll 2. Its not because I expected it to be great, or even really good; but what else can I say, this looks like any typical kids animated fodder that you see eating up the airwaves, I guess thats fine for eight years olds who love Star Wars and just want a 20 minute distraction each week, no matter how badly made as long as there's explosions or farting every three and half minutes, but I think people should hold filmmakers accountable for producing the media equivalent of McDonalds. Don't get me wrong, sometimes McDonalds is good once in a while, there's enough McCrap out there without need for another one, you should not be looking forward to the lowest common denominator and saying "give me more."
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All I'm saying is is that you can't exactly base a formal opinion on just the spoilers alone. I cringe at the kiddy humour too, but at the end of the day it's still considered SW and Lucas made it. The spoilers don't have the line by line script, and until then who knows if it is going to horrible or good. Either way, I'm looking excited to it because I could never deny anything SW.
Then thats just blind obedience to the Star Wars licence. It excuses laziness in storytelling and incompetance in moviemaking. It may even be the very syndrome that led to such a lapse in quality control--why bother making it good and interesting if people will see it just because it has the Star Wars logo on the poster? I'm not trying to single you out personally, as a fan I share your view that the hypothetical concept of new Star Wars material is exciting, but you can't just follow that blindly when the actual product finally is out, this principle of blind acceptance (to crap) is what kills good series, and Lucasfilm knows that there is at least $80 million worth of Star Wars fans out there that will see anything with that bright yellow "Star Wars" logo on it. Supply and demand I guess, its just a shame that people have completely thrown standards into the wind. I mean I guess there are worse things on the airwaves and in theaters (sadly), and for the audience of eight year olds that will see this it will probably thrill and entertain them for their two hours, but I'm of the opinion that movies should appeal to children, not pander to them. I think my bottom line is that its just a shame that this is "just a kids show" and not something a little more; being kid-friendly is nothing to be ashamed of, but there are very few well-done kids films that its unfortunate that they are just adding to the barrel of mediocrity instead of setting an example to be proud of, unfortunate that they are following instead of rejecting the cliche of "its just for kids, who cares if the acting sucks or the plot is idiotic." But I guess I shouldn't get worked up about it; there's so many series like this you couldn't even count them. I think if this wasn't an intra-Saga series I could brush it off with a roll of my eyes a little easier, like Ewoks, and its not like I'm looking forward to or plan on seeing this, I just frankly am perplexed by the few older people treating this seriously. I think at best, if the stupid plot and poor characterisations still manage to give way to an imaginative and exciting adventure, all it will be is a two-hour distraction, its just a missed opportunity I guess is my main feeling here.
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Boy, that was a long paragraph. 
zombie, if some of the action sequences from the trailers to date haven't caught your interest, I have a feeling you probably won't like the film itself.
There's enough cool stuff in the trailers that I'm optimistic the film will at least be entertaining, despite the various criticisms I've raised (and others as well).
I have doubts about plot, characterization and dialogue, but not the action. If the action can't get you excited...
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I have to agree with you on that one, though. It seems all kid movies, and most movies in general are just some pretty effects, crap plot and some fart jokes. It's really sad that movie making as come to this as not even 10 years ago some of the greatest movies ever we made.
I'm 100% guilty about being the Loyal Star Wars consumer. I've read all 3 parts of the spoilers, and there was for sure more than 2 times that I shook my head at some of the things we'll be seeing but as a fan, I take it with a grain of salt. In the end, it's part of the Saga- the overall story. It may not hold a candle to the other movies, and it may not be 100% necessary but it's a new story, something to check out and hopefully be entertained by. I may be wrong, and it could complete crap, but usually I can pick a few things I like about a movie and keep it positive. I wouldn't completely discard it though.
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