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Commander_Kayman
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5/6/06 2:57am
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I hope we can see that not all the separatists are 'evil'. There are heroes on both side!
A war is never black or white... evil or good. It's alway's kinda ....gray. I still hope darkhorse is going to make a comic serie about the separatist( Star Wars: Confederacy??:P)
But I fear lucasfilm will once again use this black and white feeling in their tv series.
So far there is only one star wars movie where we can see there's no such thing as true evil. Revenge of the sith showed us that some people we think are evil are actually not so evil at all. Wouldn't that be the way to describe the Separatists? They are backed by these commercial corporations but still the backbone of the confederacy are the startystems that separated from the republic, normal people. They just disagree with how the republic changed. That makes them no different than the Rebel Alliance. Wow....this must be one of the longest posts I've ever written. Normaly the only things I post are; Yes/No and I can't believe that:P
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Barriss_Coffee
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5/31/06 9:40pm
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I've enjoyed the strict Good Guy/Bad Guy distinctions in the original trilogy, but I sometimes feel that the EU has gone a little too far with the whole deal. I've grown somewhat fond of the more Grey-side characters, and I agree -- I think it's time to see a little more Separatist action in the TV show that doesn't consist solely of mindless, cackling villains like Durge. (Although Durge taken in small doses is still entertaining).
And you made an interest point, Commander_Kayman -- the Separatists often appear to be rather similar to the Rebel Alliance. Granted, I'm not saying that Nute Gunray is any Princess Leia, but I think some of the Seps were fighting for more freedom rather than for money.
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marc_craigwb
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the separatists are just another element manipulated by palps to get what he wants,it would be great if one of the series explores this in more depth-i dont see them as bad guys,they were used and betrayed by the emperor,but they believed in what they were doing.
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Commander_Kayman
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6/3/06 12:02pm
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The republic and the confederacy are both evil AND good. Those battle for jabiim comics are a fine example of what kind of people support the confederacy. I still hope that darkhorse is going to make a comic serie about the separatist. Star Wars:Confederacy /Star Wars: Republic/ Star Wars; Rebellion// Star Wars Empire. Star Wars: Confederacy would really complete the circle don't you think?!
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bustabus_7
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I agree entirely. I also think they should show a LOT of Dooku, fighting and being diplomatic. He's probably one of my favorite characters in all of the movies. Give him a few lines of being an elegant smart-a$$!!
I'm not sure what time it is during the Clone Wars, but they should show some of Grievous's slayings depending on how much time has passed. Also maybe some more Viceroy and other leaders.
And even though my next statement isn't completely Seperatist, give other Jedi besides Anakin and Obi-Wan a chance to shine.
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Commander_Kayman
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6/5/06 2:35am
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I agree, but I think they should make some new heroes for the separatists, so they can make you understand why so many planets join the seps, and that the seps are not as evil as you'll think.
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Gunray
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No! The seps are bumbling drones, making the prequel trilogy seem too funny, disney like slapstick humour, drawing away from the more serious issues of the story. I really don't think old George will want to bring them back after he established they're downfall in ROTS. They played their part, being pieces in Sidious' game, no need for them to be reprised. The story will obviously feature the Grand Army of Stormtroopers instilling fear into any potential rebels to the Empire's regime, and of course hunting down and slaughtering surviving Jedi. Also the formation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, Mon Mothma, Bail etc.
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Gunray
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Note - I like the Neimodians but despise the battle droids. Destroy Droid is decent however.
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Commander_Kayman
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6/26/06 10:56am
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Gunray posted:
No! The seps are bumbling drones, making the prequel trilogy seem too funny, disney like slapstick humour, drawing away from the more serious issues of the story. I really don't think old George will want to bring them back after he established they're downfall in ROTS. They played their part, being pieces in Sidious' game, no need for them to be reprised. The story will obviously feature the Grand Army of Stormtroopers instilling fear into any potential rebels to the Empire's regime, and of course hunting down and slaughtering surviving Jedi. Also the formation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, Mon Mothma, Bail etc.
psst you're talking about the real life serie 
And have you ever read the comics about the clone wars and all those holonet stuff, and the books about the clone wars. The Seps are not bumbling drones  ! Anyway I think we will see in the animated series some sep stuff and why there is the "there are heroes on both side"line in the opening scroll of episode 3.
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Daniel0605
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I think when wer'e studying a war, we should study both sides equally, and not be biased towards one side. It would be an excellent idea to see more of the Separatist's side of the war. Maybe there could be a new droid commander?
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Barriss_Coffee
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I agree -- both sides need to come into play in the TV series. The books and comics have been getting better about this, but unfortunately, a lot of the "heroic Separatist" material is based immediately AFTER Order 66, when the Jedi are forced to switch sides. This is somewhat irratating, seeing is the Jedi automatically make the Seps the good guys if they work on the same side. Not that I want the Jedi portrayed as villains necessarily, but as one Jedi later reflected after the Wars, the Jedi Order had been misinformed about the Confederacy so as to prevent them from switching sides earlier.
As for droid commanders... there was one other Droid Commander before Grievous took the reigns. Sev'rance Tann... a female Chiss and Dark Jedi. Too bad she got the axe a few weeks (week, even?) into the War, precluding her appearance in the new season.
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DarthBoba
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Barriss_Coffee posted:
I agree -- both sides need to come into play in the TV series. The books and comics have been getting better about this, but unfortunately, a lot of the "heroic Separatist" material is based immediately AFTER Order 66, when the Jedi are forced to switch sides. This is somewhat irratating, seeing is the Jedi automatically make the Seps the good guys if they work on the same side. Not that I want the Jedi portrayed as villains necessarily, but as one Jedi later reflected after the Wars, the Jedi Order had been misinformed about the Confederacy so as to prevent them from switching sides earlier.
As for droid commanders... there was one other Droid Commander before Grievous took the reigns. Sev'rance Tann... a female Chiss and Dark Jedi. Too bad she got the axe a few weeks (week, even?) into the War, precluding her appearance in the new season.
That's because the Seperatists worked for the Sith before. 
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Barriss_Coffee
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But they're still the same people!
Dagnabbit, Tarkin was working with the Jedi during the Clone Wars. Does that make him a good guy too?
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DarthBoba
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Barriss_Coffee posted:
But they're still the same people!
Dagnabbit, Tarkin was working with the Jedi during the Clone Wars. Does that make him a good guy too?
No, cause Tarkin was going on about how 'humans were the future' a good ten years before AOTC, and various other unpleasant activities, too.
The difference between good and bad is choice of cause, when you get down to it*. Although in the case of some people, there's other influences too, like being a schmuck to begin with.
The way the Seps are being presented now in the post-clone wars comics is, perhaps, how they should have been: The Rebellion against a corrupt and oppressive Republic. The Jedi now being aligned with them, IMO, is just a matter of circumstance: Obviously, there is no way the few Jedi left are gonna side with the Empire for obvious reasons, and with Dooku and the rest of the really unpleasant people gone from the Sep chain of command, the Seps we see in CW volume nine are basically the prototype Rebellion: The little people who got squashed by the Republic and had legitimate grievances that were never dealt with by the Republic/Empire.
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