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malkieD2
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7/28/06 8:48am
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But the PT has already destroyed most of points Ben raises during that sequence. For example he states that when he met Anakin he was already an accomplished pilot, which simply isn't true as he was a boy who'd never flown before.
So basically you can't accept any of the text in those exchanges in ANH to be "correct".
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THE_PIED_PIPER
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malkieD2 posted:
But the PT has already destroyed most of points Ben raises during that sequence. For example he states that when he met Anakin he was already an accomplished pilot, which simply isn't true as he was a boy who'd never flown before.
I think he was referring to the pod race in Eppisode I. And to the fact that Anakin destroyed the Trade Federations ship at the end of Epp. I.
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MistrX
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I think seeing Order 66 survivors is all but a certainty.
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I think that the whole series is based off of this.
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malkieD2 posted:
But the PT has already destroyed most of points Ben raises during that sequence. For example he states that when he met Anakin he was already an accomplished pilot, which simply isn't true as he was a boy who'd never flown before.
I think he was referring to the pod race in Eppisode I. And to the fact that Anakin destroyed the Trade Federations ship at the end of Epp. I.
Exactly. Plus he obviously glazed over a few things that Luke didn't need to know (I didn't want to train the little bugger, but I promised Qui-Gon, so I... what do you mean "who's Qui-Gon?". bah, kids today etc etc...), the whole "actually, your father is in the top 3 evil-doers in the galaxy" thing...
About the series in general... I'm hoping it won't fall into the "Jedi of the week" nor the "it's a pirate-with-a-heart-of-gold, noble-who-complains-but-likes-it-really, jedi-in-hiding-but-still-trying-to-do-good-all-the-time and "the alien" " team so beloved of sci-fi TV in general catagories.
Something new and original, but still retaining the Star Wars feel.
Plus explaining how Vader's suit looks the same in RoTS and ESB, but different in ANH would be nice. Tie up a few of the continuity knots that they left. Why does Obi claim to not remember Artoo and Threepio? That sort of thing.
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malkieD2
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THE_PIED_PIPER posted:
malkieD2 posted:
But the PT has already destroyed most of points Ben raises during that sequence. For example he states that when he met Anakin he was already an accomplished pilot, which simply isn't true as he was a boy who'd never flown before.
I think he was referring to the pod race in Eppisode I. And to the fact that Anakin destroyed the Trade Federations ship at the end of Epp. I.
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So you think that when Lucas wrote the lines for Guiness in ANH that he was referring to a small child competing in a pod race, then accidentally ending up in a space battle?
Besides, Anakin confesses in TPM that he's never completed a pod race, let alone win one. Doesn't really strike me as "best star pilot in the galaxy".
You need to accept that there are major inconsistencies between the PT and the OT largely because Lucas has changed the story as time has gone along. That's fair enough - he wrote the PT in the 70s, and now in the 00s he wanted to change the influence slightly.
You can try and give plausible explainations for the inconsitencies, but ultimately you are grasping at straws.
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Edit: Never mind
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malkieD2 posted:
So you think that when Lucas wrote the lines for Guiness in ANH that he was referring to a small child competing in a pod race, then accidentally ending up in a space battle?
Besides, Anakin confesses in TPM that he's never completed a pod race, let alone win one. Doesn't really strike me as "best star pilot in the galaxy".
He tells Luke that Anakin was a "great pilot" when they first met. Best in the galaxy came later.
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but he clearly wasn't a great pilot.
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[quote=malkieD2]But the PT has already destroyed most of points Ben raises during that sequence. For example he states that when he met Anakin he was already an accomplished pilot, which simply isn't true as he was a boy who'd never flown before.
I think he was referring to the pod race in Eppisode I. And to the fact that Anakin destroyed the Trade Federations ship at the end of Epp. I.
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So you think that when Lucas wrote the lines for Guiness in ANH that he was referring to a small child competing in a pod race, then accidentally ending up in a space battle?
No, I don't think he wrote the Epp. IV lines with TPM in mind. I just think thats a plausible explanation for what Kenobi is talking about and it can be interpreted that way
Besides, Anakin confesses in TPM that he's never completed a pod race, let alone win one. Doesn't really strike me as "best star pilot in the galaxy".
That is true Malkie, but by the time he "first knew" Kenobi he had completed one. Pod racing with alien species was unheard of for a human, and for the human to have the reflex abillites to win had never been done. To me that would definately qualify a nine year old as a great pilot. But thats just my opinion, you may have different standards. You think thats grasping at straws. It may be, but technically it works. With The "best star pilot in the galaxy", quote he could be refering to Anakin in later years, say by the time of ROTS.
You need to accept that there are major inconsistencies between the PT and the OT largely because Lucas has changed the story as time has gone along. That's fair enough - he wrote the PT in the 70s, and now in the 00s he wanted to change the influence slightly.
I agree there may be inconsistencies. IMHO I don't consider any of them major, but thats just me. To me the major themes of the fall of Anakin Skywalker, his power and his redemption through his son are consistant. Now had the prequels showed Anakin not to be Luke and Leias' father, or that he had not became Darth Vader, or had he not been trained by Kenobi at some point, or something of that magnatude, I would consider that a major inconsistency. But thats just me, to each his own.
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malkieD2 posted:
but he clearly wasn't a great pilot.
And how's that?
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because he's never flown anything before.
closest he got was a pod race which he didn't even complete
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But when he met Obi-wan he had completed it, and in quite a skilled and dramatic way. Days later he lucked into destroying a Trade Federation ship in the cockpit of a fighter he had neve before seen let alone flown. And remember, Obi-wan would have heard all of these things second hand, so it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to me for him to believe that little nine-year-old Anakin is a skilled pilot.
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what would be interesting to see is why if there where some jedi survivors there, even after episode IV (as established in EU) there arent any in the rebel movement, i mean in the movies its obvious that luke is the only jedi in the rebelion. so why if the jedi are trying to restore the order and overthrow the empire did not afiliate themselves with the rebelion? where there ideological clashes? did the jedi wanted to keep a low profile even from the rebels? why? i would like to see the answers to that.
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A few did, but were killed in action or by Vader or, in one case, were on Alderaan at the wrong time 
Shy maybe Qu Rahn, there weren't really any active Jedi left- the rest had abandoned their ways, remained in hiding or were otherwise inaccessible. Most of the otehrs were dead by ANH or ROTJ.
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