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G-FETT  22616 posts
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Date Posted: 2/3/06 12:43pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's??? - Date Edited: 2/3/06 12:45pm (2 edits total) Edited By: G-FETT
I'm glad theres some support for cliffhanger endings with the TV series, because I thought it was a kinda cool idea....

As has been said, there are lots of differant ways to end a show with a cliffhanger, not just the whole; car going over the cliff routine. In mean, in a way all Soap Operas end on cliffhangers don't they? And by that, I'm not talking about cliffhangers in the traditional sense, but rather choosing most most dramatic storyline to end with.

 

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Date Posted: 2/5/06 10:01pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
I'd love to see cliffhanger endings and there could also be smaller cliffhangers within the show before commerical breaks. I wounldn't mind seeing the opening crawls used but not every episode. Maybe just three, one at the start, one halfway thru and one for the last episode of the season.

 

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JW-Titus  480 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 12:35pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
Actually, I'd be rather disappointed if they didn't end every episode of the t.v. series with a cliffhanger. That's very much what I want it to be, and what I think will make the series most successful.

My mind goes back to nearly every other sci-fi t.v. series we've had, and the problems (IMO) with them. 'Battlestar Galactica' had some 'Parts I-II' and even 'I-IV' episodes, but they were rare. For the most part every episode had a single MAIN conflict that was resolved by the end.

The same was true for both the original 'Star Trek' and 'The Next Generation' (once again with the few exceptions). Every episode had one MAIN conflict that was resolved by the end. This, IMO, gave the story a lot less urgency, and left the viewer with the belief that they could not watch numerous episodes in a season and not miss very much in the overall story. That is bad for the series.

For further evidence of why a single, overall plot (a single, driving storyline that would create episodic cliffhangers) is good for a story just look at the success of, and furvor surrounding, the 'Star Wars' films when compared to other film series such as 'Star Trek' or 'James Bond' or the like. With 'Star Trek' or "James Bond' you can, once again, miss an entire movie and not be lost in the overall storyline of the series of films. A plotline doesn't carry over into the other films (with a few exceptions).

But with 'Star Wars' all six films are part of the overall story. Each film furthers the story, making each and every one essential for fully understanding the whole thing. It makes the overall story much more powerful (if done correctly) when you can see it unfold over such time.

Not only does this formula of storytelling give the viewer a sense of dramatic impact, but it also gives the story as a whole cohesiveness--which viewers really like (even if they aren't consciously aware of it).


The greatest suggestion I could give for the 'Star Wars' t.v. series (I know, I know--who asked me? wink ) would be to treat every season like one of the six films of the 'Star Wars' saga.
i.e.-- have something important, something significant, happen throughout the season that causes a noticable change at the end--something that furthers the overall plot of the series.

Some might say spreading the story for each season out over 22-24 hour-long episodes would make for very slow storytelling, but I don't think so. You can have sub-plots for each different episode that are "resolved" at the end as long as those sub-plots are used to further the overall story arc. It's a HUGE galaxy. Lots of mysteries, puzzles and dangers to be had.

My worst fear for the series, though, is that it will go the same way 'Alias', and so many other "good" series', did. 'Alias' started out great as a series. There was a very interesting overall plot involving SD-6 and a man named Rambaldi (sp?). It took a little while, but after a few episodes you discovered that SD-6 and Rambaldi were intimately linked in the story, and nearly every episode's subplot served to further the overall story of the Rambaldi mystery. The mystery became more and more compelling with every episode, building on itself and leaving the viewer screaming for more! ...But then, in the 3rd or 4th season, they lost that focus and, therefore, the series lost its magic. The story became one of personal revenge and tragedy, and the overall plot involving Rambaldi was lost.

This cannot happen with a 'Star Wars' t.v. series! Just like the films, they should decide on an overall storyline and map it out BEFORE they even start the first season. They should stick with that storyline and end it--and the series as a whole--once it is finished. Once the conflict of the entire series is resolved they should end the series--no matter how well the series is doing!!

If they try to continue to ride on the tail of the success of the series without the core storyline it will become a joke, and the series will fizzle out into obscurity. Another 'Star Wars' series with a different storyline and different characters in a completely different time can be made to keep the franchise going. But they MUST learn to stop once the story has been told. If they can do this, 'Star Wars' can keep its integrity and they will go much further, and make far more money, than they could otherwise.

Okay. Time for me to step down from my soap box. Sorry for the long post. I just have rather strong feelings about this whole thing.


 

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RevantheJediMaster  2439 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 3:32pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
Well Lucas did say they are going to write all the episodes together at one time.

 

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G-FETT  22616 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 3:42pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
JW-Titus posted:
Actually, I'd be rather disappointed if they didn't end every episode of the t.v. series with a cliffhanger. That's very much what I want it to be, and what I think will make the series most successful.

My mind goes back to nearly every other sci-fi t.v. series we've had, and the problems (IMO) with them. 'Battlestar Galactica' had some 'Parts I-II' and even 'I-IV' episodes, but they were rare. For the most part every episode had a single MAIN conflict that was resolved by the end.

The same was true for both the original 'Star Trek' and 'The Next Generation' (once again with the few exceptions). Every episode had one MAIN conflict that was resolved by the end. This, IMO, gave the story a lot less urgency, and left the viewer with the belief that they could not watch numerous episodes in a season and not miss very much in the overall story. That is bad for the series.

For further evidence of why a single, overall plot (a single, driving storyline that would create episodic cliffhangers) is good for a story just look at the success of, and furvor surrounding, the 'Star Wars' films when compared to other film series such as 'Star Trek' or 'James Bond' or the like. With 'Star Trek' or "James Bond' you can, once again, miss an entire movie and not be lost in the overall storyline of the series of films. A plotline doesn't carry over into the other films (with a few exceptions).

But with 'Star Wars' all six films are part of the overall story. Each film furthers the story, making each and every one essential for fully understanding the whole thing. It makes the overall story much more powerful (if done correctly) when you can see it unfold over such time.

Not only does this formula of storytelling give the viewer a sense of dramatic impact, but it also gives the story as a whole cohesiveness--which viewers really like (even if they aren't consciously aware of it).


The greatest suggestion I could give for the 'Star Wars' t.v. series (I know, I know--who asked me? wink ) would be to treat every season like one of the six films of the 'Star Wars' saga.
i.e.-- have something important, something significant, happen throughout the season that causes a noticable change at the end--something that furthers the overall plot of the series.

Some might say spreading the story for each season out over 22-24 hour-long episodes would make for very slow storytelling, but I don't think so. You can have sub-plots for each different episode that are "resolved" at the end as long as those sub-plots are used to further the overall story arc. It's a HUGE galaxy. Lots of mysteries, puzzles and dangers to be had.

My worst fear for the series, though, is that it will go the same way 'Alias', and so many other "good" series', did. 'Alias' started out great as a series. There was a very interesting overall plot involving SD-6 and a man named Rambaldi (sp?). It took a little while, but after a few episodes you discovered that SD-6 and Rambaldi were intimately linked in the story, and nearly every episode's subplot served to further the overall story of the Rambaldi mystery. The mystery became more and more compelling with every episode, building on itself and leaving the viewer screaming for more! ...But then, in the 3rd or 4th season, they lost that focus and, therefore, the series lost its magic. The story became one of personal revenge and tragedy, and the overall plot involving Rambaldi was lost.

This cannot happen with a 'Star Wars' t.v. series! Just like the films, they should decide on an overall storyline and map it out BEFORE they even start the first season. They should stick with that storyline and end it--and the series as a whole--once it is finished. Once the conflict of the entire series is resolved they should end the series--no matter how well the series is doing!!

If they try to continue to ride on the tail of the success of the series without the core storyline it will become a joke, and the series will fizzle out into obscurity. Another 'Star Wars' series with a different storyline and different characters in a completely different time can be made to keep the franchise going. But they MUST learn to stop once the story has been told. If they can do this, 'Star Wars' can keep its integrity and they will go much further, and make far more money, than they could otherwise.

Okay. Time for me to step down from my soap box. Sorry for the long post. I just have rather strong feelings about this whole thing.





shock WOW! shock

JW, I agree with everything you said, I just wish you had created this thread and not me! That was awesome! applause

 

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RevantheJediMaster  2439 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 3:46pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
Yes I forgot to mention JW that your post was great.

 

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TheWookiee  427 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 4:11pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
Those are my feelings exactly, JW. applause

 

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JW-Titus  480 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 5:14pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's??? - Date Edited: 2/6/06 5:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: JW-Titus
Thanks for the kind words, everyone. blush

I thought I'd be made fun of for going on and on for so long. laugh

If you've ready any of my stuff here on these boards you'll know that I love the cliffhanger ending. I use it all the time (perhaps too often? wink ).

I guess I just see the old serials that 'Star Wars' is based off of as too much fun to pass up using (in some ways) their style. I just hope those working on this t.v. series understand what they're doing and don't drag the name of 'Star Wars' through the mud. No offense to anyone, but I'd hate for 'Star Wars' to become a joke like 'Star Trek.' There's no fire--no danger, no urgency!--in that series. Hasn't been since 'Wrath of Kahn', IMO.

I guess I just hope they hire me on as a writer for the series so I can make certain they "get it right." grin devil


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JEDI-NEMO  57 posts
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 9:55pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
JW-Titus posted:

If you've ready any of my stuff here on these boards you'll know that I love the cliffhanger ending. I use it all the time (perhaps too often? wink ).

I guess I just see the old serials that 'Star Wars' is based off of as too much fun to pass up using (in some ways) their style. I just hope those working on this t.v. series understand what they're doing and don't drag the name of 'Star Wars' through the mud. No offense to anyone, but I'd hate for 'Star Wars' to become a joke like 'Star Trek.' There's no fire--no danger, no urgency!--in that series. Hasn't been since 'Wrath of Kahn', IMO.

I guess I just hope they hire me on as a writer for the series so I can make certain they "get it right." grin devil


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I'm with you 110% on the "cliffhanger" method, JW. It's been a while since I've stuck my head in here [watching the Prequal Trilogy over the weekend just for fun got me ol' Star Wars blood flowing again], but I recall very well your vivid imagination with your version of SITH. Without a doubt, the series could use your tuition for compelling drama and keen knowledge of Star Wars lore.

Lost, X-files (before seasons 8 & 9 slide), and obviously 24 use their ongoing story bridges very successfully - SW would benefit greatly from it. What Lucas and company may have mind may be, regretably, something more a encompassing setting to envite greater character possiblities. A sort of Galatic Rick's Cafe [what a horrible thought!] laugh .
Who knows.

You bring up and interesting point: How is Lucas handling the show's teleplay? thinking The prementioned shows have their primary creator implement a story outline. A show like this has to be geared more on engrossing story lines, characters, and obviously plot. Lucas can no long rely on razzle and dazzle of big budget FX. I worry G.L. may NOT include the talent of screen writers, such as yourself, playtime in televisions/entertainment's most illustrious sandbox.

Be it Jedi or Jawa, I look foward to it. nerd

 

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RevantheJediMaster  2439 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 5:08pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
I'm very happy GL created the Star Wars galaxy but I'm also glad that they are hiring writers for the TV Series so other people have the chance to bring in new ideas and stories to the Star Wars galaxy. I'd like GL to give some story ideas but I don't want him to write for the TV Series except for the first episode and maybe some others occasionally.

 

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LordDarthUmbrus  2707 posts
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Date Posted: 2/8/06 2:12pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
I'm all for petitioning to make JW an official writer for the Star Wars TV show!

 

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Jedi_Master_Conor  11449 posts
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Date Posted: 2/8/06 2:34pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
LordDarthUmbrus posted:
I'm all for petitioning to make JW an official writer for the Star Wars TV show!


i concur

 

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RevantheJediMaster  2439 posts
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Date Posted: 2/8/06 3:40pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
You could start an online petition.

 

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Date Posted: 3/14/06 1:45pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's???
I don't know should write it, although I think that JMS would be a good idea, but I think we now at least have an idea as to where its going to focus and the answer to that question be summed up in one name. Luke.

 

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Date Posted: 3/14/06 2:21pm Subject: RE: Will The TV Series Be Like Flash Gordon/Cliffhanger Serial's??? - Date Edited: 3/14/06 2:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: G-FETT
Chancellor_Ewok posted:
I don't know should write it, although I think that JMS would be a good idea, but I think we now at least have an idea as to where its going to focus and the answer to that question be summed up in one name. Luke.




"Last year George Lucas said he wanted to make a Star Wars series now producer Rik McCallum told is it is definitely going ahead: "We're meeting all the writers now and will start shooting in 2008. It follows Luke growing up. It's much more dramatic and darker."

How reliable is the quote they have there?

I don't mind a series following Luke, but the problem is that it's pretty clear in ANH that he's never left Tatooine, which means it will be almost 100% based on Tatooine - Which basically means it will start to get dull pretty quickly. Also, we know theres going to be Bounty Hunters in it, and how in the world would Bounty Hunters fit into Luke's story?

I personally think that quote is wrong, and I'll be amazed if Luke even features in one episode.

 

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