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Ive_Got_Two_Legs
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That article with the Lucas interview worries me.
For one, he's making it sound like it'll be after the start of the Rebellion, which is a pretty narrow time right before Episode IV. A lot of room for continuity problems there (especially with Lucas writing it - forget about Rogues showing up), we're just going to get a lot more of the same, and he's missing a golden opportunity here to show the Empire at its height.
Second, no matter what us fanboys think, to the public Star Wars will be Jedi more than X-wings. Making a show entirely about X-wing or TIE pilots would just have the public do what the guy in the very interview did, immediately compare it to BSG. And given Lucas' current writing abilities as evidenced by the PT, there's no way he'd contrast positively to BSG. Having it set during the Jedi purge with a fugutive Jedi would not only liekly draw more viewers in (as well as keep them for more than one episode), it'd also help establish the show more as 'Star Wars on TV' rather than 'bad BSG ripoff' to the public.
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mikadojedi posted:
First time here for me. And I think a Rogue Squadron Live Action Show would be very good.
Imagine Wedge Antillies, Adm. Ackbar, and other Rebellion Heros teaching the newer generation. This would be kick-butt post ROTJ stuff. Have Jiana Solo aboard. And yes, for sweeps, bring on Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher.
I don't think Ford would be convinced to play Han Solo again. At least, this is what I believe based on what I've heard about his attitude toward the character. I would enjoy seeing him play an older Han Solo, though.
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Golden_Jedi_Knight
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Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
That article with the Lucas interview worries me.
For one, he's making it sound like it'll be after the start of the Rebellion, which is a pretty narrow time right before Episode IV. A lot of room for continuity problems there (especially with Lucas writing it - forget about Rogues showing up), we're just going to get a lot more of the same, and he's missing a golden opportunity here to show the Empire at its height.
The time period between Episodes 3 and 4 is almost 20 years. I'm not sure how that can be considered "narrow." As for continuity problems, well, that depends on your definition of continuity.
[quote]Second, no matter what us fanboys think, to the public Star Wars will be Jedi more than X-wings. Making a show entirely about X-wing or TIE pilots would just have the public do what the guy in the very interview did, immediately compare it to BSG. And given Lucas' current writing abilities as evidenced by the PT, there's no way he'd contrast positively to BSG. Having it set during the Jedi purge with a fugutive Jedi would not only liekly draw more viewers in (as well as keep them for more than one episode), it'd also help establish the show more as 'Star Wars on TV' rather than 'bad BSG ripoff' to the public.[/quote]
It would be ironic to have a Star Wars TV series be called a "Battlestar Galactica ripoff." The original Galactica series in the '70s was essentially a Star Wars ripoff.
I have faith that Lucas will make this new series work well. He's done television before. He did the Young Indiana Jones series, which I enjoyed when it first aired.
I'm a little puzzled, Two_Legs, as to why you believe Lucas' writing abilities aren't currently good. Episode 3 was a very emotional movie for many diehard fans. I thought it was brilliant the way Lucas had Palpatine manipulate everyone to gain absolute power. Was the story perfect? No, but I don't see why you would say the writing was bad.
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Ive_Got_Two_Legs
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Golden_Jedi_Knight posted:
It would be ironic to have a Star Wars TV series be called a "Battlestar Galactica ripoff." The original Galactica series in the '70s was essentially a Star Wars ripoff.
And people noticed and criticized it for that. It was also a crap show.
Golden_Jedi_Knight posted:
I'm a little puzzled, Two_Legs, as to why you believe Lucas' writing abilities aren't currently good. Episode 3 was a very emotional movie for many diehard fans. I thought it was brilliant the way Lucas had Palpatine manipulate everyone to gain absolute power. Was the story perfect? No, but I don't see why you would say the writing was bad.
There were some good writing in ROTS, no doubt. But not enough to counteract the huge amount of piss-poor writing in ROTS, to say nothing of the other prequels. And I assume by "everyone" you mean Anakin since that's the only one Palpatine really interacts with in ROTS.
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I have to agree with you there that the writing was terrible. It was extremely clumsy at times, and occasionally painful to watch.
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Golden_Jedi_Knight
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Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
Golden_Jedi_Knight posted:
I'm a little puzzled, Two_Legs, as to why you believe Lucas' writing abilities aren't currently good. Episode 3 was a very emotional movie for many diehard fans. I thought it was brilliant the way Lucas had Palpatine manipulate everyone to gain absolute power. Was the story perfect? No, but I don't see why you would say the writing was bad.
There were some good writing in ROTS, no doubt. But not enough to counteract the huge amount of piss-poor writing in ROTS, to say nothing of the other prequels. And I assume by "everyone" you mean Anakin since that's the only one Palpatine really interacts with in ROTS.
By "everyone," I mean the Senate, the Jedi, the Separatists . . . pretty much everyone that matters to the story. The Senate was manipulated into giving Palpatine absolute power to do whatever it took to protect the Republic from the Separatists. The Jedi were manipulated into thinking the Separatists were the real threat when, in fact, it was Palpatine who was really behind the war. The Separatists were manipulated into fighting against what they saw to be a corrupt Republic. Granted, this manipulation didn't start in "Revenge of the Sith"; obviously, it ran through all three films.
Back to the subject of the writing in ROTS: I've accepted the film's flaws and not allowed them to diminish my enjoyment of the film overall. I thought it was a little strange that they had Obi-Wan and Anakin jumping around from one place to another during their battle on Mustafar, but then suddenly, Obi-Wan jumps from a floating platform back onto land and says "It's over, Anakin! I have the high ground!"  Gotta admit, they could've done the ending of the battle better than that.
As imperfect as the film was, though, I have to say that I was moved by the way it ended. The buildup from the person Anakin was at the start of the film to where he ended up was very dramatic. In the theater, some people around me cried when Anakin was being put in the Vader armor and Padme died. It was a great movie, overall, IMO.
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I would love to see a young han solo pop up as an imp pilot at some point. even if just for one episiode I would love to see Han and fel vs a young wedge. Maybe havomg Han feeling bad about what he was doing and leaving the service with a certain wookie.
One thing i dont want however is a galactica clone. I want good old fashioned star wars fun with a bit of everything. maybe the occasional jedi, or bounty hunter etc.
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A Rogue Squadron show might be cool, but with the show taking place between III and IV it won't happen. Not to mention, I'd rather focus on the more scummy characters - smugglers, gamblers, bounty hunters - that kinda thing.
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Jamiebacca
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I think there's nothing wrong with a rogue sqaudron-ISH show. And you could easily incorporate Jabba, Boba, TIE fighters, etc. in it.
Just as long as there's no more Jedi (unless they're under a certain crimson sabre - chop chop).
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Golden_Jedi_Knight posted:
As for continuity problems, well, that depends on your definition of continuity.
Actually it depends on what approach to continuity LFL and whoever ends up running this show decide upon- they might decide the Tv show has a higher canon ranking than other sources, or they might make it EU-integrated like the 3D Clone Wars show will apparently be.
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Jamiebacca
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Continuity schmontinuity.
Who cares as long as it's GOOD!
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Well, you have to have some degree of continuity (at least with the films at the minimum)- afterall, if it doesn't fit in and evolve the saga's story, what's the point then?
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Hold on, I totally agree about continuity with films & tv.
In fact, here is my opion on what is canon: it's not the type of media, it's the level of GL's involvement. Anything which has Lucas' direct involement as story writer or executive producer is canon.
GL sat in on the Shadows of the Empire development sessions - it's canon.
GL sat in on the development of the Clone Wars catoons - they're canon.
GL wrote the stories for the Ewok TV movies - they're canon.
Any book, game or comic which was done without GL's direct imput: fills in the gaps, but isn't important enough to worry about. (guess that covers pretty much anything post ROTJ).
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Well, that approach is kinda an iffy one (though I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it being your personal approach to things)- there are a lot of novels, comics, games, etc that have had some level of input from Lucas, not to mention LFL classifies non-film content as secondary canon (equal to pretty much everything else published), even if it had direct involvement by Lucas.
And then you gotta factor in some of the posisbilities that have been hinted at for the TV show- Lucas apparently dictating Quinlan's survival in the comics so he could possibly appear in the Tv show, for example. So if that does happen, you gotta wonder why bother imlementing that level of coordination with the comics if your going to utilize a character in a manner inconsistant with the source material that made him so popular to begin with? There's gonna have to be some degree of continuity between the show and those non-film/tv sources, in that scenario.
Throw in the Clone Wars 3D show, which we know for a fact is coordinating with the existing Clone Wars EU material, and it hints towards a more inclusive approach to continuity being likely for the live action series.
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Jamiebacca
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Well, I'm not too stubborn to see your point.
Perhaps the EU co-ordinated while making the prequels has a heavier canon-ness.
This still doesn't change m mind about the EU books released before they started the prequels, though. There's enough holes there to fill the Albert Hall!
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