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AL_Patterson
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4/27/07 6:16pm
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He should digitally add Mace in ANH as the barman at the cantina...but thats neither here nor there.
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DarthMateous
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G-FETT posted:
On the phsical level, I guess Mace, being a Jedi could in theory have died (we've seen Obi-Wan and Anakin flying through Couruscants traffic lanes) But the reason Mace IS dead and Lucas won't bring him back, is because his death is so pivitol to Anakin turning to the darkside. Having Mace come back would, I think, seriously cheapen Anakin's turn to the dark side. The reason Anakin has no choice but to go along with Palpatine, and begin cutting down Jedi, etc... Is because he colluded in Mace Windu's murder and couldn't go back. To suddenly have Mace popping up after the event would seriously undermine Anakin's choice to side with Palpatine and all the damage that choice cause's. Mace is dead. End of story.
Great point. If Mace lived, he would probably would have sought out Yoda and/Obi-Wan and would've more than likely tried to confront or convert Anakin/Vader.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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5/15/07 12:26pm
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I'd love for the show to start like the day after the end of ROTS but I find that will be highly unlikely seeing as it has to cover the 20 years between III and IV. Mace is dead, he's not going to be in the show, and even so I don't think SLJ would be up for small screen.
Al_patterson thats a brilliant idea. ''We don't serve their kind here, there bad mother-''
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DarthMateous
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
I'd love for the show to start like the day after the end of ROTS but I find that will be highly unlikely seeing as it has to cover the 20 years between III and IV.
True. Plus, GL likes to start his stories in the middle of some event.
TPM - The Trade Federation "negotiations"
ATOC - The vote to create an army for the Republic
ROTS - Palpatine's rescue from Grievous
ANH - Tantive IV trying to escape with the Death Star Plans
TESB - The Empire's search for the Rebellion on Hoth
ROTJ - Han's Rescue from Jabba
Not only that, but we know he likes to set his stories a couple of years apart.
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Andurias79
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Spiderfan posted:
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I am not one who thinks Mace is dead
Sooo a fall out a window a few hundred stories high, after having his hand cut off (giving him one good arm to grab onto something) and being electrocuted (which would at least weaken him) isn't grounds to kill him.
May be he landed softly in a Refuse collector ;-)
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Robimus
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Mace is dead, Dark Horse is his only hope( Palpatine twice, Fett).....Just kidding.
I'd like to mostly see new characters as well, certainly they will need to tie to the movies and the timeline in some way but i'd rather it didn't tie directly to the Skywalker clan.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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I love the idea of it all tieing together, though some of it probably would be best to be left to imagination, video games and EU. Im imagining it starts with the construction of the death star, order 66 and opposing systems being overpowered by the galatic empire.
I'm hoping it ends with the stolen death star plans making its way to Leia's representatives [lets face it, carrie fisher doesn't look like your highnessess anymore and to have another actress play it would be blasphemy.] and the Tantive making its way from Alderaan to Tatooine.
For a show to cover a 20 year period seems a little unrealistic, even for Lucasart. I mean how many seasons does this show plan to sign on?
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The2ndQuest
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
[lets face it, carrie fisher doesn't look like your highnessess anymore and to have another actress play it would be blasphemy.]
I don't know about that- I've always been of the mind that the characters are more iconic than the actors who portrayed them, and that the audience would be intelligent enough to understand why some recasting would have to take place in order to tell certain stories in certain eras. And who knows? maybe there'd be actually be improvement- I've always found the actress who voiced Leia in the SW Radio Dramas to have given a much better performance than Fisher, for example, and there have been other examples where the TV actor for a character manages to equal or surpass the establishing film's portrayal of the character (most notably Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson on Stargate).
Besides, SW has revised altered and recast several (albeit generally minor or masked/alien) characters over the years, it could still feel like a natural evolution of past precedents.
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Cellist
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Oh wow, I love the idea of having the very last episode tie directly into the beginning of ANH. The last scene could be Leia giving Captain Antilles orders to set their course for Tatooine, and then have them jump to hyperspace. 
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Darth_Hydra
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I'd prefer the show to have as little to do with the movies as possible to avoid continuity issues. There's bound to be some already without them trying to tie them in with movies.
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BlackPool
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The2ndQuest posted:
_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
[lets face it, carrie fisher doesn't look like your highnessess anymore and to have another actress play it would be blasphemy.]
I don't know about that- I've always been of the mind that the characters are more iconic than the actors who portrayed them, and that the audience would be intelligent enough to understand why some recasting would have to take place in order to tell certain stories in certain eras. And who knows? maybe there'd be actually be improvement- I've always found the actress who voiced Leia in the SW Radio Dramas to have given a much better performance than Fisher, for example, and there have been other examples where the TV actor for a character manages to equal or surpass the establishing film's portrayal of the character (most notably Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson on Stargate).
Besides, SW has revised altered and recast several (albeit generally minor or masked/alien) characters over the years, it could still feel like a natural evolution of past precedents.
Let me ask you this? How would you feel if you woke up one morning and the people you have known all your life suddenly are in different bodies? That's what it would seem like to me if anyone were to reprise the role of any of the main characters from the OT now. It works better with characters like James Bond because he has always been played by different actors. But even then there are many who are still loyal to Connery and I believe that it's in no small part to the fact that he's the one that made the role famous. I agree that Michael Shanks worked well as Daniel Jackson, but again that is because he looks so much like James Spader did and played him just like Spader as well. And too, Daniel Jackson wasn't a famous and iconic character in pop culture. And three, the character of Daniel Jackson didn't exist as long as OT characters have before being taken up by another actor. On the other hand, we have Jack O'Neil being played by McGuiver who is already known for that role and looks nothing like Kirk Russel and played the character in a different way and so doesn't match up at all. Unfortunately, this is the more typical result when one actor takes up a role from another.
I really hope Lucas sticks to his original concept and stays away from the Skywalker storyline and the people involved in it. It's time the GFFA got back to feeling like a galaxy again instead of a neighborhood.
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G-FETT
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I don't want to see the Skywalkers in the TV series, either. I'm looking forward to (by and lrage) seeing new people and places. I still think C3PO and R2 will have a cameo at some point, and Boba Fett will feature as well, but thats about all I want to see of established characters.
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BlackPool posted:
Let me ask you this? How would you feel if you woke up one morning and the people you have known all your life suddenly are in different bodies? That's what it would seem like to me if anyone were to reprise the role of any of the main characters from the OT now. It works better with characters like James Bond because he has always been played by different actors. But even then there are many who are still loyal to Connery and I believe that it's in no small part to the fact that he's the one that made the role famous.
I understand the perspective your describing (though Connery did play the role for quite some time before they switched Bonds, so the same could be said here on a slightly larger scale), but I guess I just feel that since characters like Luke and co have been written, portrayed and illustrated by a number of different people over the years, that there's room for another in a new medium.
Oddly enough Star Trek is doing this exact thing only in reverse with iconic characters from the TV series being recast for new movies, and, having been around longer, exceeds even SW's scale by comparison. Though, obviously, it's yet to be seen if that choice will succeed yet or not.
While I'm sure a lot of SW fans wouldn't like the notion, I think the majority of the audience who would watch a SW show, who would tune in for a "big three" TV series or miniseries or whatever would understand and wouldn't care as much that other actors were playing the characters they tuned in to watch. Especially since the altertive would be not getting the show they wanted to tune in for in the first place.
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Darth_Shpydar
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The2ndQuest posted:
Oddly enough Star Trek is doing this exact thing only in reverse with iconic characters from the TV series being recast for new movies, and, having been around longer, exceeds even SW's scale by comparison. Though, obviously, it's yet to be seen if that choice will succeed yet or not.
Yeah, and just look at the negative response they've been getting from Trek fans. Only the announcement that Nimoy will also be in the film (possibly as an older Spock looking back on his first meeting Kirk) has tempered the criticism so far -- and not even by that much.
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While I'm sure a lot of SW fans wouldn't like the notion, I think the majority of the audience who would watch a SW show, who would tune in for a "big three" TV series or miniseries or whatever would understand and wouldn't care as much that other actors were playing the characters they tuned in to watch. Especially since the altertive would be not getting the show they wanted to tune in for in the first place.
True, people would still watch the show. But i think audiences would be more accepting of different actors in the roles only if they're being portrayed as younger than the films -- which would fit with the Dark Times setting. I don't see it happening, but it could -- possibly a brief appearance by Senator Organa's daughter, or a short Imperial Academy scene featuring a hot-shot cadet named Solo ... 
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Darth_Shpydar posted:
Yeah, and just look at the negative response they've been getting from Trek fans.
It actually seems to be going over pretty well, given what little has been revealed at this point. You have the mega diehards who hate the notion of it, but then you have others who have been wanting further exploration of that era and feel it's the right way to go. I'd expect a simialr reaction to SW, though perhaps less harshly because SW has been less focused on it's actors than Trek has, in terms of fandom and pop culture perceptions (when people think "classic Trek", they think of "Shatner" immediately. When they think of "classic Star Wars", they think of "Darth Vader" or "Han Solo", etc) so a similar action done by SW wouldn't have it as hard.
Though I'm not holding that up as the perfect example for SW (personally I do not find the original Trek series to be of such great quality to be worthy of such praise so there's ponly room for improvement whereas SW aim would be to continue the existing quality of the era), it does show one oossibility of how iconic characters can eventually reach the point where the actors who portray them may no longer matter as much as the character being portrayed.
I just think most viewers will understand recasting would be necessary to the equation of getting new stories told in certain eras. new stories told in classic era = recasting, essentially, and being a shift from theatrical to television mediums, I don't think it would strike the audience as being out of place, especially given the aging factors involved in real life.
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