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Mungo
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5/18/07 7:27pm
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The_Mastervader posted:
Koohii posted:
BoT: maybe the TV show can be "The Young Han Solo Chronicles", starring Nicholas Brendon.
A crusty old Han tells a bedtime story to Jacen and Jaina about the time he & Chewey met and...
Or not...
The problem with that concept is that it needs more Jar Jar! 
And more cowbell.
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Willy-Wonka-nobi
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If I may go back to the original post for a moment. I found it odd that the poster brought up doctor who as an example. To each is his obviously, but I will take Battlestar or Star Trek over Dr. Who any day of the week. Not just 'cause I like space either. I think those shows have very human elements and themes... star trek less so, but definitely BSG.
Second, Character development is important. We can't just be wowed by effects or the simple fact that it is set in the Star Wars universe. We do need a human element. Gotta love the characters and be able to relate to them, etc. However, the flip side of that coin is that it is STAR WARS, not Grey's Anatomy. I think Season 3 of Battlestar Galactica did a lot more "character development" than previous seasons, but I think that actually hurt the series. I missed the epic scale and feel of the first two seasons, because after like the 4th episode, the third season got all dramatic. And I was like "Where are the flippin' cylons?!"
In the end, I think it is about striking a balance. They need to adopt a model that can do both successfully.
I also think we need to have realistic expectations, the viewership for this show will not be as wide as something like 24, Lost, Heroes, etc. simply because the name STAR WARS is just as much of a curse as it is a blessing. For some, that will just be a turn off. Seeing a movie is one thing. Watching a TV series... that's something else!
I wish the TV Series good luck, but in my experience, there is no such thing as luck!
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Sithlurker86
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5/23/07 7:38am
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I don't think the live action series is doomed to failure at all. I agree that we shouldn't write it off before it even begins production. That said any Star Wars TV series on the major networks will face major competition. Putting it on the Sci-fi channel would at least give it a viewing audience of sci-fi fans, but that channel is owned by NBC, so I guess we can forget that possibility.
The point someone made about science fiction not doing well on newtork television is a good one though. Especially recently. Has anyone seen the s---- the major networks are rolling out sci-fi wise this fall? At least we can all (or at least I can) rest assured that Lucas will hire the best people that he can to make this show.
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Darth_Shpydar
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5/23/07 8:23am
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Sithlurker86 posted:
The point someone made about science fiction not doing well on newtork television is a good one though. Especially recently. Has anyone seen the s---- the major networks are rolling out sci-fi wise this fall?
Seriously. It's due in large parts to the successes of Lost (which the mainstream considers somewhat sci-fi), BSG and of course Heroes. Networks see the ratings and fan-followings these series have developed and think what all Holywood producers do upon seeing success: "Me too!" Just like what happened to a lesser degree following the success of The X-Files. Of course, once these subpar shows tank in the ratings, the producers will decide it's because the viewing audience doesn't want sci-fi type shows (and not because the shows suck), and we'll all be treated to some more craptacular (and extrememly cheap to produce) reality and game shows.
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Koohii
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Of course, the original BSG and Star Trek were both network programs. In the case of BSG, the series sucked because all the budget went into the original story & FX, and all the followup episodes were written by network hacks with no idea what they were even doing or what SciFi was. Hence Cassiopea started as a near-prostitute and ended up being a nurse and a school marm. And then there was the high-noon showdown, the Towering Inferno on the Galactica, and KnightRider episodes.
ST, suffered from a combination of constantly going over-budget and internal politics & propaganda.
Lost in Space? Started with adult ideas, then turned into kiddie zanny crapfest, because only kids would watch space programs.
Project Bluebook (does anyone even remember that program?) ...
6-million $ man turned into a silly superhero
Space Academy--Saturday morning show that was barely above the level of a hanna-barbara cartoon.
Space 1999 was just too rediculous from start to finish.
Quantum Leap... do we even want to call it scifi, or just religious propaganda with nostalgia-vision?
What other SciFi series have the Big 3 networks ever produced?
From what I could tell, the only TV SciFi that ever did work was either BBC or smaller networks like FOX & WB. And those were hit&miss or flukes often as not.
I expect the SW show will suck. This is a lesson hard-learned by years of seeing nothing but crap on TV and movies. Never mind the prequels (whether you like them or not). 99% of everything produced is crap. That means that there is roughly a 1% chance that SW:The TV Series, whatever it ends up being about, won't suck.
My first recomendation to Mr Lucas would be that all writers for the series be required to use the framework created by West End Games RPG books as a series bible, just like all the writers of the novels were supposed to. (Timothy Zahn was originally peeved at having to follow this limitation, but after he actually read the sourcebooks ended up writing parts adventures & suppliments). Now, if Lucas had done that himself while working on the prequels, they probablly would have been much better. As with Babylon 5, someone should work out the story arcs well ahead of time, and not "make it up as we go" episode by episode.
Just my thoughts
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DarthMateous
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5/24/07 2:48pm
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JasperMereel_ posted:
I just love the way people write off shows before they even begin. How about giving it a chance?
Exactly. I've heard a lot of complaints about how the prequels relied too heavliy on CGI and that the acting was outstanding. Well, now those critics will get what they want: A show that will rely on good acting and a solid storyline with limited special effects.
The bottom line is this: No one's forcing anyone to watch the show. So if you like it, watch it. If not, then don't.
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G-FETT
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5/24/07 4:42pm
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I would also add, that people are perfectly entitled to post whatever concerns or thoughts they have about the Live Action Series. I don't want to start going down a route already here, where people start feeling "excluded" from posting their opinion. Simple fact is, we don't know enough about the project to form a judgement either way, about how well it may or may not work.
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bluesaber70
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5/26/07 7:41am
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If it's a ceap watered down show with out much action the fans will bail. But, I think it will be a hit. I think the fans will dive into it. Again if it's done right.
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Willy-Wonka-nobi
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5/26/07 12:02pm
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I think they will do it right...
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El Kabong
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JasperMereel_ posted:
I just love the way people write off shows before they even begin. How about giving it a chance?
So, did you actually read what I wrote? Or did you just stop at the first sentance and formulate your opinion from there? Aside from the very bold opening statment, calculated to set the discussion going, I didnt actually say I thought the show was doomed. I wish the show the best of luck (well, as much luck as I would wish upon any multi-billion dollar franchise), and hope that it rocks my house as much as other sucessful TV franchises do/did.
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El Kabong
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Oh, along that though, further supporting my point - I've been watching Torchwood in preperation for Captain Jack's return in season 3 of Dr Who. While there's a great many sins that the show is committing, one of them is completly unlikeable characters. Even Jack, the dashing ladies man (and man's man) scoundrel, is presented as an asshat in the show.
That kind of gets back to the one complaint that I've heard about the new star wars films - no dashing ladies man scoundrel (an avatar of the common people, if you will) for the viewer to hang their hats on. Without a "human"-centric core, I suspect it'll never be the breakout hit that everyone is hoping for.
(Unlike Torchwood - which needs characters you care about, better scripts, better acting, and so on and so on, before there's an improvement)
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Jamiebacca
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I'm quite looking forward to the new CG show, yet I'm afraid that they'll really too heavily on CG.
(snicker)
It's fricking Star Wars people!
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G-FETT
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You have to look at the cost's though. If they want to keep a relatively small budget, I would think the CGI and special effects will have to be somewhat limited in order to keep the costs down? Though maybe in the long run its cheaper to use CGI than to build sets?
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Jamiebacca
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It's also way cheaper to RE-USE PRE-EXISTING CG models and set, y'now.
Chances are, ILM has some lying around someone's hard drive somewhere. I think.
But hey, what do I know?
I'm just an armidillo.
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However, keep in mind that a good portion of the "digital sets" used in the prequels were actually physical models enhanced in the computer, and most of those models were probably already destroyed due to their size. They'll have to make new ones or create entirely CGI sets from scratch.
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