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Darth_Shpydar
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6/8/07 7:12am
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I was a big Fawlty Towers fan when i was a kid (it airing here in the US on PBS then), and Spaced is just about the best "sitcom" (and i use that term very loosely in describing that show) i've ever seen, and i still repeatedly watch the two series on DVD. Says something that even today (some what, 7 or 8 years later?) people are still asking Pegg, Wright and Stevenson when there will be more Spaced.
BTW, vong, Battlestar isn't ending after 3 seasons. They're doing at least a fourth season and also working on tv/straight-to-dvd film projects. Heroes rating dropped due to a number of factors, including the fact that the show is re-aired each friday on SciFi (factor in those ratings and then take a look), and the normal trend of decreasing TV viewership as the summer approaches in the US. Lost has dropped because it became clear to fans that Lindehoff et al have no clue what they're doing (jeez, they had to ask ABC to set a cancellation date for the show so they could figure out how to write and pace the series!) This season of 24 fell apart halfway through, even with the awesomeness of Jack Bauer (not to mention that 24 and Heroes both diminished each other's potential ratings share by going head-to-head). CSI, a show which follows the Bruckheimer philosophy of "lotsa flash, little substance" has diluted itself to the point that it doesn't have the impact it once did, although it still consistently draws viewers.
Not everyone watches animation, yes. So? Not everyone watches cop shows. Not everyone watches doctor shows. Not everyone watches sports. Not everyone watches reality shows. Not everyone watchs game shows. Not everyone ...
I'm also tired of the whole "we know how it ends!" argument. So what? It's about the journey, not the destination.
And, BTW, Entertainment magazine (i assume you mean "Entertainment Weekly") is the biggest piece of hack poodoo about the tv/film industry there is.
Meh. Enough ranting from me. 
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G-FETT
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Darth_Shpydar posted:
Not everyone watches animation, yes. So? Not everyone watches cop shows. Not everyone watches doctor shows. Not everyone watches sports. Not everyone watches reality shows. Not everyone watchs game shows. Not everyone ...
Yeah, before we decide whether or not the series is doomed to fail, we really need to nail down exactlh what does constitute a failed project. I suspect a "failure" would mean diffeant things to differant people.
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vong333
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Nevertheless, I am worried. I want it to succed, I love star wars, but man them numbers don't lie. I hope that they plan on relasing comic books, novels, and better video games. Nothing for nothing, but the release of the clone wars on the psp is not my idea of keeping a frnachise afloat. Neither is relaesing the same Star Wars Lego video game, even if updated again.
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DarthBarresi
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I think it will be a success. Why? Because it's Star Wars. I'm not saying that as a fan, but people love it. Not only will fans of the films tune in, but an entire new television audience. I'm not concerned about viewership as much as quality.
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TaintedJedi
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George may be the maker and all, but he clearly has a track record of being a little... shall we say... tepid, with his dialog. Mark Hamill has been attributed to saying "no one talks like this" on at least one occasion after reading the '77 script. One of the things that made ESB so successful is that George hired one of his own teachers, Irvin Kershner, to direct. Kershner is a master of small, character driven pieces. That's why we got the magic moment in the carbon freezing chamber instead of "I love you too".
I enjoy the prequels (I over II, III's sort of tied with I), but they are indication to me that George is missing people who will tell him no; that will reign him in. If the television series is to be a long term success, such a commitment to excellence and character stories will be strongly necessary. I'm also curious to see just how they plan to set up the series, because there is a lot of potential with introducing individual self contained stories for single episodes with their own characters. These characters could come back later, or be throwaways, allowing for total freedom.
On the other hand, Daniel Logan is at a very good age to place a young boba fett growing up in the post III-pre IV era. I could dig that, if they could secure him. Temura Morrison is another solid choice because he's still the right age to play clone troopers, although this would require a lot of screen work to have him on screen sans helmet. I could dig an allegiance-style group of rogue troopers. And there's always the very fertile Order 66 survivors angle.
Just some thoughts.
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Koohii
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6/12/07 10:54pm
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TaintedJedi posted:
George may be the maker and all, but he clearly has a track record of being a little... shall we say... tepid, with his dialog. Mark Hamill has been attributed to saying "no one talks like this" on at least one occasion after reading the '77 script. One of the things that made ESB so successful is that George hired one of his own teachers, Irvin Kershner, to direct. Kershner is a master of small, character driven pieces. That's why we got the magic moment in the carbon freezing chamber instead of "I love you too".
Yes, and George didn't write ESB either, which largely contributes to the fact that it was the best of all the movies--it had the least direct involvement by Lucas. Another good quote about Lucas' writing: Harrison Ford's "You can write <it>, but you can't say it" (paraphrased)
TaintedJedi posted:
I enjoy the prequels (I over II, III's sort of tied with I), but they are indication to me that George is missing people who will tell him no; that will reign him in.
I have long held that the entire movie industry needs "NO-people"--people who will say "NO!" to bad ideas. Properly utilized, this could lead to a dramatic improvement in the overall quality of TV and Movies. Lucas is a prime example of someone who desperately needs a "NO-person". The only other person I can think of who is in such desperate need is Jerry Bruckheimer, who has (to the best of my knowledge) produced 1 good movie (Pirates of the Carribean: Black Pearl), 2 mediocre movies, and 43 bad-horrible movies.
I have never understood why Fawlty Towers was considered funny. I found it utterly horrid and base: proof that not all british TV is better than american. Same with Are You Being Served and Keeping Up Appearances. Only Benny Hill is more base and lower on the humor scale. Guess these are the exceptions that prove the rule.
In stark contrast, there's The Good Life, Executive Stress, and To The Manor Born, which are excellent and extremely funny. More modern series are Waiting for God and Chef!, both of which never fail to bring a chuckle (OK, series 3 of Chef! should never have happened, so we'll just ignore it).
Getting back on topic...
What makes the show a success? If people enjoy it.
What makes it a failure? If George Lucas writes it!
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G-FETT
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6/13/07 11:16am
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Guys, we already know that Lucas is going to be farming out the writing on this show. Writers from LOST and HEROES have been interviewed up to this point, but more writers are also talking to LFL right now. Lucas has developed the plot, but writing duties ARE being farmed out. 
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WookieeWarrior9
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IGN reported that Lucas' minions are talking to BSG writers, as well. I know George watches the show, so that's no major surprise. I am a little worried that the show will be short on the action/adventure department, though.
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WookieeWarrior9
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Double post, sorry.
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Double post, sorry.
Er, its Star Wars. Why would it be short on action? 
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WookieeWarrior9
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I don't know, I'm just worried that it will be too much drama and character stuff. I want that, but it must have the action/adventure to make it feel Star Wars.
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Mungo
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
I don't know, I'm just worried that it will be too much drama and character stuff. I want that, but it must have the action/adventure to make it feel Star Wars.
And if it has too much action/adventure, it'll end up having the nausiating feel that Clone Wars Volume One has.
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WookieeWarrior9
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Mungo posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
I don't know, I'm just worried that it will be too much drama and character stuff. I want that, but it must have the action/adventure to make it feel Star Wars.
And if it has too much action/adventure, it'll end up having the nausiating feel that Clone Wars Volume One has.
Agreed. It's a fine line.
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A fine line, but a line that must be walked. Such is the way of things, the way of the force.
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TaintedJedi
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Willy-Wonka-nobi posted:
A fine line, but a line that must be walked. Such is the way of things, the way of the force.
Oh, snap!
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