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Koohii
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
I don't know, I'm just worried that it will be too much drama and character stuff. I want that, but it must have the action/adventure to make it feel Star Wars.
I think a little more action than Babylon 5, a little less soap-opera than Farscape, less slapstick than Hercules&Xena and definately less Roddenbary"Peace&love" than StarTrek.
And absolutely NO friggin musical episode.
In fact, if anyone writes a musical episode for StarWars, that person should be run out of town on a rail. If anyone approves a musical episode, s/he should be shot. If anyone makes a musical... well, use your imagination. "Be assured, that while your body may one day be found, it would never be identified."
Musical episodes SUCK! Then never make sense. They are never lipsynched propperly (except arguablly for the Daria episode). And no one ever mentions the strange thing that happened again.
Another plot conceipt that must be barred and never used again, especially in the StarWars show is the "Evil Computer Hackers/Slicers turn computers into magical devices to vent their sinister plans, and for some reason make the lights flicker." The level of technophobe ignorance that these stories display is almost as frightening as the fact that some people buy into them. The only thing more annoying than that is the thought that the writers think that all the viewers are as ignorant as the writers are. I have actually stopped watching shows because of bad episodes like that. (MI5 and Law&Order are the top offenders that come to mind)
And please, no alagories about the evils of the modern world. I'm watching StarWars to ESCAPE from the modern world.
But these are just few of my rants.
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Mungo
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Koohii posted:
less slapstick than Hercules&Xena
And less lesbianism. 
Koohii posted:
And absolutely NO friggin musical episode.
In fact, if anyone writes a musical episode for StarWars, that person should be run out of town on a rail. If anyone approves a musical episode, s/he should be shot. If anyone makes a musical... well, use your imagination. "Be assured, that while your body may one day be found, it would never be identified."
Musical episodes SUCK! Then never make sense. They are never lipsynched propperly (except arguablly for the Daria episode). And no one ever mentions the strange thing that happened again.
Exhibit A: The Star Wars Holiday Special. 
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Koohii
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Exactly. Everyone involved in that project--writers, designers, makeup, directors--should be removed from the gene pool in the most expedient fashion. Only the actors, who were stuck looking like they were being tortured in sissy soap-opera make-up and lighting, are exempt.
And boy, does it look like Carrie Fisher was stoned out on something when she was singing that horrible song. Might have been the only way she could go through with it.
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Koohii posted:
Exactly. Everyone involved in that project--writers, designers, makeup, directors--should be removed from the gene pool in the most expedient fashion.
Including George Lucas?
Jeez, it was just a really bad show that aired once almost thirty years ago. Calm down. 
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But I like it for what it is: a product of 70s TV.
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Mungo posted:
But I like it for what it is: a product of 70s TV.
Even for 70's TV, it was really, really terrible.
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Koohii
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Aside from allowing permission, Lucas had nothing really to with it. He's since made it clear that he'd like to destroy all copies and record that it ever happened.
And yes, it was bad, even for 70s TV.
Heck, even Space Academy was better.
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Before we bash the Clone Wars Volume 1 we must remember that GL ONLY GAVE GT 3 MINUTES! There is no time for nothing. I'm surprised they were as good as they were with great reveiws at the cartoon network, and them winning an Emmy award. 19 Episodes 3 minutes each and one 5 minute episode. Heck, you had three prequel movies, 6 hours and some, and all they got was the shaft at the awards ceremony, and bashing by many, despite making decent money at the box-office. Though no Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter type money.
So it will come down not to theme, but to the creative writers, illustrators, animators, and such that will make both the clone wars cartoon series and the live action series succed.
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Koohii posted:
He's since made it clear that he'd like to destroy all copies and record that it ever happened.
To play Devil's Advocate, he feels similar about the theatrical versions of the original trilogy. 
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Mungo posted:
To play Devil's Advocate, he feels similar about the theatrical versions of the original trilogy.
True... He's a bit like Marvel comics in a way... He likes to rewrite history every 5 years or so.
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vong333 posted:
Before we bash the Clone Wars Volume 1 we must remember that GL ONLY GAVE GT 3 MINUTES! There is no time for nothing. I'm surprised they were as good as they were with great reveiws at the cartoon network, and them winning an Emmy award. 19 Episodes 3 minutes each and one 5 minute episode. Heck, you had three prequel movies, 6 hours and some, and all they got was the shaft at the awards ceremony, and bashing by many, despite making decent money at the box-office. Though no Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter type money.
So it will come down not to theme, but to the creative writers, illustrators, animators, and such that will make both the clone wars cartoon series and the live action series succed.
Last time I checked the domestic gross list, Episodes 1 and 3 were ahead of the LOTR movies.
Oh, and I fully blame GT for the six minutes of stupidity that were the Mace Windu episodes
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I blame cartoon network for lowering the standards and abilities of US animated art back to the darkages that make Hanna-Barbarra look sophisticated.
From Spongebob to Ren&Stimpy to Samurai Jack to Clonewars--the animated movement may be ok (at best), but the quality of the artwork is attrocious. Compate any CN cartoon to an old Bugs Bunny.
People either go with bad Flash animation, Mainframe computer animation, or animae style.
Where are the Gargoyles? The 1994 Batman style series? (Even that show sold out and went animae)
It's rather sad.
But, like everything else: america doesn't produce much anymore, they just outsource to someone who can. (That opens up a huge argument that's best done via PM if anyone's interested)
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Koohii posted:
I blame cartoon network for lowering the standards and abilities of US animated art back to the darkages that make Hanna-Barbarra look sophisticated.
If you really beleive that, i suggest you seriously need glasses. Or simply new eyes. Or haven't seen any old Hanna-Barbara, which could at times barely be considered "animation".
Koohii posted:
From Spongebob to Ren&Stimpy to Samurai Jack to Clonewars--the animated movement may be ok (at best), but the quality of the artwork is attrocious. Compate any CN cartoon to an old Bugs Bunny.
Yeah, it sucks that people use different styles in their artistic expression. Everyone should just produce the same style of hand-drawn animation that's exactly the same as what's come before. Obviously different = bad. It's a shame they can't just cater to your view.
Keep in mind too that much of CN's programs are season-length series that are made primarily for younger viewers. Bugs and the rest of the WB stuff was made for theatres, and presented primarily to an adult audience. It's like saying a peanut butter and jelly sandwich sucks because filet mignion exists.
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Where are the Gargoyles? The 1994 Batman style series? (Even that show sold out and went animae)
Great shows, agreed, but primarily because they were written well. Anyway, they're back in the 90s. I'll start up the TARDIS.
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Yoda-Evil Twins- I never said that the prequels weren't successful in terms of money made at the boxoffice, and furthermore, you are looking at just the US box office results, which I don't. I look at the overall box-office gross of a movie (international). The last time I checked, Lord of the Rings, Return of the King became the second movie in history to cross the $1 billion dollar marker, plus the numerous Academy awards helped. Not to knock the prequels down....which I'm not.
In any case, I do agree with the Mace Windu thing. It created controversy because no matter how you sliced it and diced it, Mace flew at the end. Yeah, in the begining he may have had that running leap, but at the end when he exited that seismic tank, he didn't jump at an arc. NOOOOO, he flew out of the small opening and had tremendous hang time until he landed in that hill.
The bottom line is, its okay not to like the art and style, sometimes I can't say I did either. But, dude, GT was given the shaft when it came with time. So the only thing that you could really have was action, and even then once it started it was over. I'm thrilled and not too thrilled at the new animation. Yeah, it looks cool, its very very different than what we have seen before, but, well yeah, they get 22 minutes each, plus 100 episodes. In my opinion its a little too long, but heck its better than nothing. 
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Darth_Shpydar posted:
If you really beleive that, i suggest you seriously need glasses. Or simply new eyes. Or haven't seen any old Hanna-Barbara, which could at times barely be considered "animation".
I grew up in the age of Space Ghost, Funky Phantom, Stop that Pidgeon, Speedbuggy, and about a dozen others (H-B was cranking out massive amounts of "stuff" back then), as well as Starblazers.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
Yeah, it sucks that people use different styles in their artistic expression. Everyone should just produce the same style of hand-drawn animation that's exactly the same as what's come before. Obviously different = bad. It's a shame they can't just cater to your view.
Keep in mind too that much of CN's programs are season-length series that are made primarily for younger viewers. Bugs and the rest of the WB stuff was made for theatres, and presented primarily to an adult audience. It's like saying a peanut butter and jelly sandwich sucks because filet mignion exists.
I never said "different was bad," but I will say that no matter what name you put on it, excrement still retains an unpleasant odor. And something done hastily and cheaply is going to come out with a less than stellar result. Especially in bulk. That's what makes many of the old H-B cartoons look jerky, and it's what makes the new CN cartoons look like effluent matter. With the 30-40 years they've had in technological progress, the newer product shouldn't make me long for the old one.
I would argue that most of what I've seen is decidedly inappropriate for younger viewers, ESP Ren&Stimpy, which seems to be targetted more toward fratboys & sophmoric 20-somethings. While there are some racy jokes (and of course, the dozen or so cartoons now forbidden by the PC police), most WB cartoons are perfectly safe for children without delving into toilet humor. And there are several jokes in any Disney movie that go way over the heads of children, written for the adults, but that aren't offensive.
Darth_Shpydar posted:
Great shows, agreed, but primarily because they were written well. Anyway, they're back in the 90s. I'll start up the TARDIS.
You got one? Fire it up! I'm ready.
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