vong333 posted:Yoda-Evil Twins- I never said that the prequels weren't successful in terms of money made at the boxoffice, and furthermore, you are looking at just the US box office results, which I don't. I look at the overall box-office gross of a movie (international). The last time I checked, Lord of the Rings, Return of the King became the second movie in history to cross the $1 billion dollar marker, plus the numerous Academy awards helped. Not to knock the prequels down....which I'm not. In any case, I do agree with the Mace Windu thing. It created controversy because no matter how you sliced it and diced it, Mace flew at the end. Yeah, in the begining he may have had that running leap, but at the end when he exited that seismic tank, he didn't jump at an arc. NOOOOO, he flew out of the small opening and had tremendous hang time until he landed in that hill. The bottom line is, its okay not to like the art and style, sometimes I can't say I did either. But, dude, GT was given the shaft when it came with time. So the only thing that you could really have was action, and even then once it started it was over. I'm thrilled and not too thrilled at the new animation. Yeah, it looks cool, its very very different than what we have seen before, but, well yeah, they get 22 minutes each, plus 100 episodes. In my opinion its a little too long, but heck its better than nothing.
Koohii posted:Stop that Pidgeon
Koohii posted:And something done hastily and cheaply is going to come out with a less than stellar result. Especially in bulk.
Koohii posted:I would argue that most of what I've seen is decidedly inappropriate for younger viewers, ESP Ren&Stimpy, which seems to be targetted more toward fratboys & sophmoric 20-somethings. While there are some racy jokes (and of course, the dozen or so cartoons now forbidden by the PC police), most WB cartoons are perfectly safe for children without delving into toilet humor. And there are several jokes in any Disney movie that go way over the heads of children, written for the adults, but that aren't offensive.
Darth_Shpydar posted:Great shows, agreed, but primarily because they were written well. Anyway, they're back in the 90s. I'll start up the TARDIS.
Koohii posted:You got one? Fire it up! I'm ready.
Koohii posted:I blame cartoon network for lowering the standards and abilities of US animated art back to the darkages that make Hanna-Barbarra look sophisticated. From Spongebob to Ren&Stimpy to Samurai Jack to Clonewars--the animated movement may be ok (at best), but the quality of the artwork is attrocious.
harrison13 posted: It gave me goosebumps to imagine what the x-wings and tie fighters will look like on the series.
The2ndQuest posted: I can see how people may not like GT's style, but the style approach to Samurai Jack has led to some fantastic visuals in that series (the black and white fight comes to mind) that really pushes the art element of animation to new heights. However, as much as I love some of the great stuff it can achieve, i wouldn't want to see that style applied to everything. Clone Wars had a slight mix of other styles added into it which i think worked, though I'd love to see some of the 80's/90's style (Sunbow, etc) return in some fashion. Also you can't really blame cartoon Network for Ren & Stimpy as that show started out on MTV before going to Nickelodeon before being resurrected.
Koohii posted:Now, SouthPark has both crappy animation and art, but it's done in a way that is kind of cute, in a way (fits the supposed age of the characters) and deliberate. And it makes no claims to being high-falootin' artsy-fartsy (ok, maybe fartsy). Mind you, the humor is pretty much in the gutter 90% of the time, but somehow an occasional clever joke slips in.
Koohii posted:The last Spiderman cartoon (that I saw--MainFrame production) looked like it was animated for a video game console. After 5 minutes, I had to turn it off--too painful.
Koohii posted:Yes, bring back the 80s & 90s afternoon style... Thundercats, GIJoe, Batman... Whatever. A good starwars storyline done with that type of animation I would watch.
Darth_Shpydar posted:This is actually a common misconception about South Park, typically from people who either don't watch the show or have only caught it sporadically. Yes, it does have a lot of "in the gutter" jokes and humor to it, but not even close to approaching 90%. It'll vary from episode to episode (and there are the occasional episodes that are nothing but raunchy humor), but most episodes are actual well-thought out and insightful, particularly when they're dealing with real-world events/news/topics/etc. Much of the time, the toilet humor is more of the set-up to the joke, as opposed to the joke itself (if that makes any sense). More than anything, South Park has become a social satire of the US.
Darth_Shpydar posted:I assume you mean that series that was on MTV for a while. Yeah, that was way bad. I'd rate it even lower than video game cut-scene animation; most games i play look way better than that craptastic show. I actually know someone who worked on that show briefly; he hated it and eventually left to go work for WB instead (on "The Batman" (the newer, recent one), which is also pretty bad itself).
Darth_Shpydar posted:I wouldn't mind, so long as more attention was paid to the animation finishing. By that i mean that the frequent problems that almost all of those series had -- poor lip-synch, simple animation errors (eg, a guy's arm changes color back and forth due to a coloring error), and of course the ever present and the hated background repeat-cycling (used less in the 80s, but still there to save costs -- this is when the same background cycles over and over, typically while characters are running or driving). But i wonder -- that style may not look the same or as "good" via CAD/CGI animation as opposed to hand-drawn, which i think is likley to be considered too cost-prohibitive these days for a 30 min length (22 min)ongoing series.
Koohii posted:Big mistakes, not so much. (Like not having Kevin Conroy as the voice of Batman after the last 15 years)
Willy-Wonka-nobi posted:Another successful move from film to TV was Highlander-- not that cool of a movie... but mostly a kick butt series, IMO.
Darth_Shpydar posted:The first Highlander film was excellent (The Kurgan is an incredible villan), but can be a bit dated when watching today. The sequels ... they weren't horrible, but they weren't good. The last film was decent, but that's because it tied into the TV series, which as you mentioned was very cool. I'm actually tempted to go out and pick up that "Best of" collection (like 10 or 15 eps, i forget how many) they just released on DVD.
Willy-Wonka-nobi posted:Even in Star Wars, you would be hard pressed to find such story discrepancies far-fetched retcons.
