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BlackPool
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7/7/07 9:43am
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RE: Star Wars TV doomed to fail?
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All it needs is cool ships and settings, familiar music and SFX, good characters and interesting plots and it will do just fine no matter who those characters are.
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dizfactor
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7/7/07 6:05pm
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Koohii posted:
I never said "different was bad," but I will say that no matter what name you put on it, excrement still retains an unpleasant odor. And something done hastily and cheaply is going to come out with a less than stellar result.
It's not done cheaply or hastily. It's a carefully considered artistic choice. Anyone and everyone who knows anything about animation understands that we're fortunate enough to live in a golden age of TV animation. GT's work, especially, is astounding, especially Samurai Jack, which raised the bar considerably for animation. Even now, people I know who work in animation and illustration talk about SJ with the sort of hushed tones you'd associate with minor religious experiences.
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redxavier
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7/8/07 2:29am
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dizfactor posted:
It's not done cheaply or hastily. It's a carefully considered artistic choice. Anyone and everyone who knows anything about animation understands that we're fortunate enough to live in a golden age of TV animation. GT's work, especially, is astounding, especially Samurai Jack, which raised the bar considerably for animation. Even now, people I know who work in animation and illustration talk about SJ with the sort of hushed tones you'd associate with minor religious experiences.
Really? I thought SJ lowered the standard for animation. But then, I've been reared on anime which has been noticeably superior to Western animation for quite some time (Madhouse Studio, Studio Ghibli and Production IG to name a few companies).
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WookieeWarrior9
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7/8/07 9:00am
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I think SJ is unique in the fact that adults and kids can watch it and both enjoy it. It seems like everything else is either for 4 year old kids or for adults, no in between.
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BlackPool
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redxavier posted:
Really? I thought SJ lowered the standard for animation. But then, I've been reared on anime which has been noticeably superior to Western animation for quite some time (Madhouse Studio, Studio Ghibli and Production IG to name a few companies).
If we are just talking 2D animation then maybe. But I disagree if you are including 3D. Gibli is great, but they got nothing on Pixar. Not familiar enough with the other studios to comment on them.
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dizfactor
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7/8/07 10:17pm
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redxavier posted:
dizfactor posted:
It's not done cheaply or hastily. It's a carefully considered artistic choice. Anyone and everyone who knows anything about animation understands that we're fortunate enough to live in a golden age of TV animation. GT's work, especially, is astounding, especially Samurai Jack, which raised the bar considerably for animation. Even now, people I know who work in animation and illustration talk about SJ with the sort of hushed tones you'd associate with minor religious experiences.
Really? I thought SJ lowered the standard for animation. But then, I've been reared on anime which has been noticeably superior to Western animation for quite some time (Madhouse Studio, Studio Ghibli and Production IG to name a few companies).
I think we've had this argument before, and the conclusion we came to then was that you had no idea what you were talking about 
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Koohii
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7/8/07 11:36pm
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OK, at this point, I'm sorry I even mentioned it. Let's all play nice and just agree to differ.
As to character & "dark", as I see it, it isn't that Lucas doesn't care about character development, it's just that he sucks at it. He doesn't seem to have the patience to do good political intrigue either. More has been accomplished by other people extrapolating than he was ever able to succeed in conveying.
"...But they estimate it has been deserted for some time" is one of the best, most meaningless lines that most people overlook in favor of Harrison Ford's stumbling over hyperspace navigation.
I don't think most of Hollywood really knows what "Dark" is either. They usually use it to mean "nasty street people swearing a lot" or "ooooh, mood lighting." Donnie Darko was dark. "Dark City" wasn't really--it had some neat ideas, but was mostly mood-lighting and retrovision.
Thanks for the update on show status. We'll see if he can get it off the ground. Hopefully the writers will read the EU books so they don't blatantly contradict too many of them.
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Robimus
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7/9/07 11:31am
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We are talking about Star Wars here people. Lucas could dress up everybody as ewoks and it would still draw huge numbers. This will be the most anticipated TV series of all time and even if it does upset some enough will be happy that it will do huge ratings. I hear lots and lots of people complain about Ep1 all the time and yet its still the fourth highest grossing film of all time!!!!!!!!Yeah, everybody just hated it(heavy sarcasm).
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redxavier
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7/9/07 1:06pm
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dizfactor posted:
I think we've had this argument before, and the conclusion we came to then was that you had no idea what you were talking about
I don't recall ever having such an argument before, let alone with yourself. Anyone who genuinely considers Samurai Jack to be a pinnacle of animation needs to watch more animation. SJ is fun and fast, but let's not mistake its purposefully crude art and animation for quality. Otherwise, South Park is equally as bar-raising, and those awesome stickman flash animations are the zenith.
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G-FETT
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7/10/07 8:59am
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dizfactor posted:
I think we've had this argument before, and the conclusion we came to then was that you had no idea what you were talking about
dizfactor, I'm going to assume this post was made as a joke. But be warned, anymore posts telling people they don't know what they are talking about, whether a joke or not, will be edited and action will be taken.
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Koohii
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7/15/07 12:30pm
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Well, that was a conversation stopper...
Any new thoughts on the series?
Any news?
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A few tid bits HERE
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Palp_Faction
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7/17/07 6:59am
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Well, with writers who actually enjoy writing being hired to write the scripts and with more character driven and darker episodes, is it possible that the live-action TV series has the potential to be BETTER than the films? After all, the films were good, but not THAT good. I'm a life-long SW fan but am the first to admit that there's room for improvement. The TV series could be exactly what SW needs after the luckwarm reception of the prequels.
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Koohii
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7/20/07 10:51pm
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Palp_Faction posted:
Well, with writers who actually enjoy writing being hired to write the scripts and with more character driven and darker episodes, is it possible that the live-action TV series has the potential to be BETTER than the films? After all, the films were good, but not THAT good. I'm a life-long SW fan but am the first to admit that there's room for improvement. The TV series could be exactly what SW needs after the luckwarm reception of the prequels.
That would be nice. I would love to see that happen.
Best thing that could happen is for Lucas to step away. By far the best of the SW movies: Empire Strikes Back. Reason: least involvement of Lucas--he didn't write it; he didn't direct it. All he did was sit back and let someone else work with what he'd created in the first movie.
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