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DarthMateous
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5/15/07 11:21am
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In writing, there is something we refer to as a "throughline". This is the storyline that carries the movie forward from beginning to end.
(ie. In the TV show "Heroes", the throughline is that our heroes want to stop a bomb from blowing up in NY, subsequently killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people. It's their common goal.)
I think it would be interesting to see the Death Star plans used as a throughline. Then we could see the common goal of the Rebel Alliance is to steal the plans and safely deliver them to Alderaan. Naturally, the Empire would stop at nothing to keep the plans out of the hands of the Alliance. (Or get the plans back if the Alliance managed to get their hands on them.)
This would present a great opportunity to have the death star plans switch back and forth between the Alliance and the Empire. Each time the Alliance gets the plans, they try to safely escape to Alderaan before the Empire destroys them. (Kind of like the "Capture the Flag" game.) Of course, the Alliance would repeatedly fail to safely get the plans back to Alderaan and would be killed as the Empire regains possession. (This would also add to the suspense when the Tantive IV is trying to escape Vader's Star Destroyer.)
Throw in Bounty Hunters trying to play both sides by intercepting the plans from the both, the Alliance and the Empire, then offering to sell the plans to the highest bidder (The Alliance, Empire OR other interested third parties) and you've got a lot of options.
Similar to "Rat Race" or "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".
So my question to everyone here is: What do you think the overall "throughline" will be about?
Thoughts?
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G-FETT
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There will almost certainly be a "throughline" but quite what it'll be I don't know.
I'm not sure it'll be Death Star plans though. Remember, the Death Star was being constructed even by the end of ROTS....
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Ghost_Jedi
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Couldnt the throughline have to deal with the Jedi Survicors of Order 66?
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Ghost_Jedi posted:
Couldnt the throughline have to deal with the Jedi Survicors of Order 66?
Quite possibly, IMO.
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DarthMateous
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G-FETT posted:
There will almost certainly be a "throughline" but quite what it'll be I don't know.
I'm not sure it'll be Death Star plans though. Remember, the Death Star was being constructed even by the end of ROTS....
This is an idea that's always intrigued me. We know that Princess Leia ultimately ends up with the plans. So the naturally questions to ask would be:
How does Princess Leia get the plans to the Death Star?
Who did she get them from?
What if the people who got those plans to her died?
What if there were others who failed to get the plans to Leia?
What if some of those "others" had the plans at some point, only to have the Empire regain the plans?
If so, how did the Alliance regain the plans.
What if bounty hunters learned of the existence of the plans?
What would happen if the bounty hunters got their hands on the plans?
Etc...
At some point in time, upon becoming aware of the Death Star's existence, the Alliance had to determine that they needed to get their hands on those plans. So I thought that would make for an interesting throughline for the TC series with the natural series finale being the race to get the plans to Leia (again).
Of course, it's just one idea.
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DarthMateous
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5/15/07 12:44pm
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G-FETT posted:
Ghost_Jedi posted:
Couldnt the throughline have to deal with the Jedi Survicors of Order 66?
Quite possibly, IMO.
That's another intriguing idea. Naturally, the "throughline" would actually be determined by who the heroes are and what their overall goal is. Until we know that, it's hard to say. But either the "surviving Jedi" or the "Death Star plans" could be the throughline. Or one of those could be throughline, while the other is a sub-plot. I'd love to see both incorporated into the show.
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G-FETT
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DarthMateous posted:
G-FETT posted:
There will almost certainly be a "throughline" but quite what it'll be I don't know.
I'm not sure it'll be Death Star plans though. Remember, the Death Star was being constructed even by the end of ROTS....
This is an idea that's always intrigued me. We know that Princess Leia ultimately ends up with the plans. So the naturally questions to ask would be:
How does Princess Leia get the plans to the Death Star?
Who did she get them from?
What if the people who got those plans to her died?
What if there were others who failed to get the plans to Leia?
What if some of those "others" had the plans at some point, only to have the Empire regain the plans?
If so, how did the Alliance regain the plans.
What if bounty hunters learned of the existence of the plans?
What would happen if the bounty hunters got their hands on the plans?
Etc...
At some point in time, upon becoming aware of the Death Star's existence, the Alliance had to determine that they needed to get their hands on those plans. So I thought that would make for an interesting throughline for the TC series with the natural series finale being the race to get the plans to Leia (again).
Of course, it's just one idea.
That would be a really interesting arc. I never really thought about a lot of those questions, but your right - The way ANH starts does set up a lot of interesting questions and possibilities.
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DarthMateous
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5/15/07 4:59pm
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G-FETT posted:
DarthMateous posted:
G-FETT posted:
There will almost certainly be a "throughline" but quite what it'll be I don't know.
I'm not sure it'll be Death Star plans though. Remember, the Death Star was being constructed even by the end of ROTS....
This is an idea that's always intrigued me. We know that Princess Leia ultimately ends up with the plans. So the naturally questions to ask would be:
How does Princess Leia get the plans to the Death Star?
Who did she get them from?
What if the people who got those plans to her died?
What if there were others who failed to get the plans to Leia?
What if some of those "others" had the plans at some point, only to have the Empire regain the plans?
If so, how did the Alliance regain the plans.
What if bounty hunters learned of the existence of the plans?
What would happen if the bounty hunters got their hands on the plans?
Etc...
At some point in time, upon becoming aware of the Death Star's existence, the Alliance had to determine that they needed to get their hands on those plans. So I thought that would make for an interesting throughline for the TC series with the natural series finale being the race to get the plans to Leia (again).
Of course, it's just one idea.
That would be a really interesting arc. I never really thought about a lot of those questions, but your right - The way ANH starts does set up a lot of interesting questions and possibilities.
I really like the idea of combining the Death Star Plans arc with the Surviving Jedi arc the Ghost_Jedi proposed. Throw in Tarkin's rise to power, Boba Fett's exploits, the expansion of the Empire and the Alliance's attempt to rally systems to their cause and this could have a lot of possibilities.
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I think it would be interesting to see the Rebels committing terrorist attacks on the Death Star. For instance, maybe a renegade Jedi hijacks a Star Destroyer and crashes it into the half-complete Death Star.
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Mungo posted:
I For instance, maybe a renegade Jedi hijacks a Star Destroyer and crashes it into the half-complete Death Star.
I think that would be a bit too "close to home" for Star Wars. 
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Mungo posted:
I think it would be interesting to see the Rebels committing terrorist attacks on the Death Star. For instance, maybe a renegade Jedi hijacks a Star Destroyer and crashes it into the half-complete Death Star.
I think that would be pretty disgusting.
The Taliban is not the Rebel Alliance. And the Rebels would not be committing "terrorist attacks" (attacks made to inspire terror). The rebels don't blow stuff up to scare people. Any obvious real life reference like that would be offensive and ruin the atmosphere of Star Wars for everyone. Political connotation is about as "close to home" as SW will get, 9/11 parallels would be ridiculous.
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Though Palpatine does frame the Rebels as terrorist's in ROTS, I agree, to see somethine like Rebels/Jedi actually carrying out an attack as Mungo describes, would be pretty disturbing and I can't see it happening.
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I'd disagree to a degree. The Rebels most certainly engaged in "terrorist" attacks -- though i agree, not in the strict definition of "attacks to inspire/invoke terror", but in the connotation of small-scale attacks to inflict serious damage to a legitmate government. I don't imagine we'd see Rebel suicide-bombers or anything like that (though the humans did use suicide bombers against the Cyclons on BSG this season). Rigth or wrong, the Empire is the legitimate government in the galaxy, and the Rebels are seeking to destroy that government through small-scale, guerilla-style (at least early on) attacks. And they do seek to scare the Imperials into realizing that the Rebels are serious about their beliefs. No, it may not be the textbook definition of "terrorism" per se, but it certainly is terrorism in spirit.
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Oh yes, from the Emperor/Vader/Empire point of view the Rebels are terrorists.
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Oh yes, from the Emperor/Vader/Empire point of view the Rebels are terrorists.
Precisely. Terrorism is terrorism, regardless of who is doing it. To quote Palpatine "Good is a point of view." To the Empire, the Rebels are in the wrong, while to the Rebels, the Empire are wrong. And if the majority of the Galaxy have been brainwashed by the Empire into believing the Empire is all that is good and just, then any opposing views are wrong, and any rebel actions would be considered an act of terrorism by the public. To give an example, Palpatine declares the Jedi to be a threat to the Republic in ROTS, and a bunch of people start to believe him, therefore, he is "right", since the majority opinion rules. And then the Rebels commit a HUGE terorist attack in ANH when they blow up the first Death Star, killing millions of people. And this takes place not long after the Empire commits a similar attack by blowing up Alderaan, also killing millions of people. I can't see how a similar, yet smaller attack in the series would be any worse.
I think that is what the series could and should deal with: the grey area between "right" and "wrong". That is what Firefly did, and it did it sooooooooooo wonderfully well. 
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G-FETT posted:
Mungo posted:
I For instance, maybe a renegade Jedi hijacks a Star Destroyer and crashes it into the half-complete Death Star.
I think that would be a bit too "close to home" for Star Wars.
Not to mention, we all know GL likes to steer clear of controversy.
EDIT: Besides, it wouldn't even make sense from a storyline perspective. We're supposed to cheer on the rebels. They are the good guys. Terrorists are evil, and since no one on earth condones terrorism except the terrorists themselves, no one's going to cheer on the rebels for being terrorists or committing acts of terrorism.
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