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G-FETT
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It looks to me as though its going to be before the last clone wars series, so I don't think there will be many problems with continuity.
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The2ndQuest
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There's no problem with it being set between Vol 1 and 2- Grievous "debuted" on Hypori at the end of Vol 1/start of 2, and that battle is set 4 months after Geonosis. The next time we see Grievous in Vol 2, it's 29-32 months later. He's off running the war for that huge gap in between, and most of what has already been chronicled about him (outside of the Operation Durge's Lance campaign and the General Grievous comic) takes place in those last few months of the war/same months roughly spanned by Vol 2. Plenty of room for him to do a lot in this series.
Asajj, in case you weren't aware, survived her encounter with Anakin on Yavin IV in Vol 1 and went on to challenge Obi-Wan and Anakin a few times during the war until Anakin finally thought he killed her, but Obi-wan didn't believe it and went on his "damned fool idealistic crusade" to find her in his obsession- and finally did, but after Dooku and Grievous betray her, she decides to sit out the rest of the war a few months before it ends, and heads for parts unknown. So, again, plenty of room between Point A and Point B for her to do what she does best in the war in this new show.
So there's really no reason to "revisit" the previous CW series- though it is possible we might get a few overlapping scenes (ie: show a shot of the Hypori battle to give the audience a point of reference as to when the show is set in relation to the existing series). The same could be said for events from the comics and novels as well, though (ie: a glimpse of the Battle of Jabiim).
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G-FETT
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Wait, its going to be set between volume one and volume two of the last Clone Wars series? 
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Shiro
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Continuity can be so confusing sometimes. 
As far as I can tell, the Clone Wars spanned over three years. The first year was covered by the first volume of the Clone Wars Cartoon while Vol. Two covered the Third and final Year (leading up to ROTS).
Thus, it makes sense to me that this show is taking place during the untouched Second Year. Anakin has his long hair but no scar yet and Asajj is just beginning her search for him.
Someone feel free to correct me if they think I'm wrong here.
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The2ndQuest
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The majority of Clone Wars Volume 1 only covered a very small span of time- a few days, a week at most, set around 4 months ABG (with exception to the scenes of Dooku recruiting Asajj, which are set only a few weeks after Geonosis).
Volume 2 spans a bit more time, since it jumps around the timeline a bit (resolving the Hypori battle at 4 months ABG, then jumping ahead to 30 months ABG with things like Anakin's knighting ceremony, then again to various outer rim siege scenes, and then again with the Nelvaan scenes, and one last time to the Battle of Coruscant sequences).
So, really, the existing volumes cover, maybe timespans adding to to 6 months of the war total, and only really showing maybe 2 weeks out of those 6 months, so plenty of room to fit stuff not only inbetween the two volumes, but between scenes and chapters of them.
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Willy-Wonka-nobi
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Like I said, I think not using storylines from the comics would be a mistake. Like 2ndQuest said, Lucas does at least keep with a *little* of the comics (Aayla Secura, Vos) etc. So, maybe there is hope that the Battle of Jabim and other points might get referenced or shown in some way.
I agree that the microseries volume 1 doesn't show much in the span of time. Anakin is still a padawan. It looks as though, he may be a Knight in the 3-D series already. That might erase some continuity in the comic world depending on how many months after the battle of geonosis the cartoon takes place. The Battle of Jabim was 15 months after Geonosis and Anakin is definitely still a padawan. Orignially, Anakin didn't become a Knight until 30 months into the Clone Wars.
That would mean he was only a full-fledged Jedi Knight for 6 months before the events in ROTS took place. I could easily see Lucas changing that, just so he has more time to deal with Anakin as Knight rather than a padawan.
That would be too bad though, because the Battle of Jabim is one of the best stories in the comics. It helped shape the character of Anakin and drove him further to the dark side...
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The2ndQuest posted:
It wasn't completely different- the two sources showed different aspects of the same Coruscant battle, and even showed the same scenes in a few instances (though the cartoon adaptation of those scenes was simplified a bit, since Isard and co weren't needed for the toon plotline).
There were some differences though, but that stems from the cartoon being made based on the early outline for the novel, which was in production at the same time, both of which had to be finished by the film pre-release deadline. So chalk those few true contradictions up to the cartoon being a simplified adaptation of the actual events in the novel (kinda like the tall Noghri in the Thrawn comic adaptations vs the short Noghri in the actual novels)
The upshot is there's no film release deadline, or other Clone Wars material presently in production. The 3D show basicly has a static tapestry (of which their head guy is obviously knowledgeable about) to wind into, which should reduce the possibility of continuity conflicts considerably.
Not completely different? I guess I can respond to that with a quote about Clone Wars continuity:
"Okay, now things get complicated. If we take everything we've seen at face value, Anakin and Obi-Wan's adventures immediately prior to RotS go something like this: they defeat the Separatists on a rainy planet that may or may not be a very loose interpretation of Cato Neimoidia, get ordered to Nelvaan, then forget entirely about that, spend a month or so hunting for Darth Sidious, ultimately end up going after Dooku on Tythe...Dooku flees, they find out Coruscant is under attack, decide "we've got to help them!", then...decide instead to chase Dooku to his decoy destination of Nelvaan, where they have a nice, leisurely adventure over what looks like at least a day or two, not involving Dooku in the slightest, then board their ship, find out Coruscant is under attack again (or, perhaps more accurately, is still under attack), and THEN go to Coruscant to rescue Palpatine."
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Actually it has been established that the Nelvaan adventure takes place prior to the hunt for Sidious, which eventually leads to Tythe and then to the Coruscant attack.
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The2ndQuest posted:
The majority of Clone Wars Volume 1 only covered a very small span of time- a few days, a week at most, set around 4 months ABG (with exception to the scenes of Dooku recruiting Asajj, which are set only a few weeks after Geonosis).
Volume 2 spans a bit more time, since it jumps around the timeline a bit (resolving the Hypori battle at 4 months ABG, then jumping ahead to 30 months ABG with things like Anakin's knighting ceremony, then again to various outer rim siege scenes, and then again with the Nelvaan scenes, and one last time to the Battle of Coruscant sequences).
So, really, the existing volumes cover, maybe timespans adding to to 6 months of the war total, and only really showing maybe 2 weeks out of those 6 months, so plenty of room to fit stuff not only inbetween the two volumes, but between scenes and chapters of them.
I read your posts and I understand how the new series could fit in between vol. 1 and 2.
The reason I think there is a good chance that there will be some overlaping, overwritting, revisiting or whatever is because the new series is on a whole different level than the CW cartoons. It's a higher production value, it's a full length TV series, it's suppossed to feel more like the movies in style, Lucas is overseeing it and he has refered to the CW cartoons as a test and pilot. Also, the new series is called: Star Wars: The Clone Wars, not Clone Wars volume 3.
Yes, the new show could be limited to the specific time periods in between the CW cartoons, but that ultimately will depend on how much Lucas cares about preserving the legitimacy of the CW cartoons and how far he wants to take the new show.
We'll have to wait and see, but I expect that the new show will contradict the CW cartoon take on Grevious. Lucas has said that he didn't intend for Grevious to be super powerful, but more cunning and cowardly. He didn't want him to appear stronger then any other of the major villian.-ROTS commentary.
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Let's be honest, the whole Force-chest-crush-leads-to-coughing-thing was just ridiculous. Grievous has all his internal organs in a bags and bowls, a technology which hasn't been perfected yet, and is a visual precursor to the strained breathing of Darth Vader. The Clone Wars guys found out too late and threw in a lame retcon. I hope Grievous is a cowardly, coughing slimy villain in the new show, it would be a final insult to the old cartoon, which was over-the-top, and chock full of the worst animation I've seen since Powerpuff Girls.
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Well, with Matt Wood voicing Grievous, I think it's safe to say the character will be more in line with his portrayal in ROTS (as much as I absolutely loved a few of his line deliveries in Volume 2). And I think you'll see at least some of Grievous's Jedi-killing abilities (remember, he does have a collection of sabers to acquire), but they'll be scaled down from his Hypori tactics.
And some of you seem to think Lucas will overwrite or ignore the existing cartoon because you didn't like it- recall though that Lucas DID like them- it's why there's a Volume 2 in the first place, let alone one that was a prominent ROTS lead-in. If Lucas didn't like the show, we would have had the first volume of micro-series episodes, and that would have been it.
And yeah, it's not "Clone Wars Volume 3", but that's logical- calling it volume 3 would imply it's the same show, same style, etc where it's not. It's not a direct continuation of the prior show, but it's still part of the same continuity (visual indulgances aside).
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Its cool that Matt Wood is coming back. I recognised his voice in the trailer straight away.
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The2ndQuest posted:
And some of you seem to think Lucas will overwrite or ignore the existing cartoon because you didn't like it- recall though that Lucas DID like them- it's why there's a Volume 2 in the first place, let alone one that was a prominent ROTS lead-in. If Lucas didn't like the show, we would have had the first volume of micro-series episodes, and that would have been it.
And yeah, it's not "Clone Wars Volume 3", but that's logical- calling it volume 3 would imply it's the same show, same style, etc where it's not. It's not a direct continuation of the prior show, but it's still part of the same continuity (visual indulgances aside).
Lucus obviously liked the microseries (as did I) for the reasons you stated. But I wouldn't say that it is part of the same continuity. We just don't know yet.
Just because he liked it, doesn't mean he's not going to over-write it and other aspects of the clone wars. He will want to tell an original story, and he and his team of writers for the series will do just that. I am almost positive he is going to mess with the overall continuity (this includes novels, games, comics, and the cartoons) in some way, whether major or minor. And guess what, he can because he's George Lucas. He created it. As much as others can go and make a cool story, he always reserves the right to go "no this is what happened." Enter the retcon. The only thing us fanboys have to help us sleep at night...
He retconned his OWN movies to make them fit better with the PT, for crying out loud!
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The continuity of the Clone Wars? The new Clone Wars show will be a remake and a expansion upon the old micro-series. Lucas said himself at a recent director's festival that the Cartoon Network micro-series were a "test".
Furthermore, at MF.com, a member there who was at Celebration 4, posted that at one of the Clone Wars panels, one of the panelists indicated "the series will span the entire Clone Wars era, which means the characters will evolve. Anakin will have his full on ROTS look as well as the clone troopers."
The2ndquest said as much in the first post of this very thread:
The2ndQuest posted:
They said we'll be seeing the visual transition from AOTC/Clone Wars volume 1 to the ROTS/Clone Wars volume 2 material in this, like trooper armor designs, Obi-wan slowly de-armoring, etc.
The Clone Wars needed to be re-visted as the Cartoon Network's micro-series doesn't do it justice. Judging by the trailer, Clone Wars 3D looks like it will.
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Willy-Wonka-nobi posted:
He retconned his OWN movies to make them fit better with the PT, for crying out loud!
No offense to Lucas, but that fact is exactly what removes any credibility he once had as a writer.  I hate to dog on Lucas, but it's the truth. He can't keep his own stories staight, and he has such a huge ego that he refused to hire people to serve as continuity checkers (Yes, I know he did in terms of editing, but in the end the story is what matters the most.) or even talented screenplay writers. He himself has admitted he isn't good at writing and that he doesn't really enjoy it, yet he continues to write. 
sith_rising posted:
I hope Grievous is a cowardly, coughing slimy villain in the new show, it would be a final insult to the old cartoon, which was over-the-top, and chock full of the worst animation I've seen since Powerpuff Girls.
Grievous was a badass who lived up to his reputation in the Clone Wars series and the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. However, in the film Revenge of the Sith, he is a bumbling idiot who serves no purpose other than to get Obi-Wan away from Coruscant.
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