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CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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flashbang
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1/26 1:17am
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CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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I'm just wondering because I always got the impression that because Lucas is involved in the three projects, it makes it canon on the lines of the six films since it's his vision and he is afterall the creator of the saga, wheras all the other EU material wasn't done by him so it doesn't represent his true vision.
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Rouge77
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1/26 2:21pm
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It's still EU. Although I think that it has been said - half-joking - by LFL representative that the Live TV series will be given a more special standing, somewhere between most of the EU and the movies.
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Force-Keeper
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I'm going to say it's not EU just for the fact GL and the gang have most if not all the input in the series'. That's my 2 cents, but this EU/Canon stuff has been known to start wars.
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DarthSapient
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1/27 12:42pm
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To me, it's all the EU. I'm one of those who feel the films are canon and everything else is the EU. Plain and simple.
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Master_Starwalker
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1/27 1:34pm
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It's EU. It just has a higher level of canon than the rest of the EU.
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The2ndQuest
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1/27 4:04pm
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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LFL, thus far, has classified all television content (even material written by Lucas, like the Ewok movies) as EU, however they may be ranking the newer shows higher than the other EU content for internal company reference purposes (though this isn't for certain- they may simply be tracking content specifically contained within each series for production purposes).
It should also be noted that Lucas has provided input and story content for other EU material over the decades, but such material is still considered EU, so Lucas's involvement isn't the sole deciding factor so far as EU classification goes.
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Blackfryar
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1/28 9:46am
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Lucas has always considered EU and movies like two separate things, if he decide to write-or at least supervize all writers on the first season, the LAS will probably contradict with existing EU material on some minor details.
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Berkyjay
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1/30 10:58am
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The2ndQuest posted:
LFL, thus far, has classified all television content (even material written by Lucas, like the Ewok movies) as EU, however they may be ranking the newer shows higher than the other EU content for internal company reference purposes (though this isn't for certain- they may simply be tracking content specifically contained within each series for production purposes).
It should also be noted that Lucas has provided input and story content for other EU material over the decades, but such material is still considered EU, so Lucas's involvement isn't the sole deciding factor so far as EU classification goes.
Actually, both the TV series will be considered T-canon and they will be on the same level as the movies due to the fact that George is writing all of the stories (The hired writers write the scripts from George's stories).
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Master_Starwalker
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Wasn't T-Canon below G but above C?
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The2ndQuest
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Last I checked, T-canon has not been assigned any ranking yet, in relation to other works. It will most likely end up existing between G-canon (the films) and C-canon (all other in-continuity sources), but it won't be equal to G-canon (otherwise they'd just expand the definition of G-canon to include the new shows instead of creating a new classification for them) and hasn't yet been defined as out-ranking C-canon.
We do know that T-canon is not a retroactive classification, so pre-existing TV content, even stuff written by Lucas himself, is still considered C-canon (the same generally goes for any non-film story input or direction Lucas has provided to non-TV sources as well).
And, as I mentioned earlier, since this whole "G-C-T-S-N canon" thing is mostly for internal reference at LFL (as opposed to public policy), T-canon could merely end up being a classification meant to easily track content created for, or appearing in, the new shows themselves for easy series-bible reference for production purposes, which would leave T-canon equal to C-canon.
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I regard to coming TV projects as an interesting miz of Canon and EU. Yes, Lucas is heavily involved, more so than on compleet EU works, but the makers of the TV shows do have licence to develop storylines and characters in ways that they want so. So, to me its a mix of both creative elements.
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Darth-Wyrm
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What's the difference anyway? At this point, there aren't going to be any more movies, so I can't see anything being more canon from here on out than these TV Shows. It sounds like this is where GL wants to take the franchise anyway for the near future. To me, the TV shows will be just one step away from the movies...and that's probably a good thing anyway.
As for Unleashed...that's tougher to say. GL wanted a video game friendly world and that's what Unleashed is. Guess we'll have to get details of the story before knowing more.
I'm just glad we have so much going on to continue the saga.
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vong333
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2/11 10:13am
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I'm going to sit on the fence on this one, for the simple reason that the three projects stem from GL and company and not some other random author, writer, illustrator, and what not. Furthermore, like Shadow of the Empire , these three have the potential to be rated very high in the EU area if it can be classifed as EU.
For me EU, represents anything that GL does not do, that is before TPM and after ROTJ. One thing that we haven't seen is that GL hasn't really authorized/produced/or directed anything that is not withingn the 6 movie series.
Yes, GL has given input on numerosu projects, but not on the same level that the video game, new clone wars series, and the live action seires will take place in. One thing of note also, is that with the exception of the video games, GL and and company have really never authorized the production of any animated or live action show that is not in-between the movies. Just look at the Star Wars Holiday TV Special, The Ewoks and Droids cartoonse series, the 2-d Clone Wars cartoon shorts, and the new clone wars cartoon series (3-d) and the new live action? See a pattern?
The live action series is really EU in a sense that this has been waht every other licensee has been doing. The difference is going to be that GL is involved and it will be interesting to see what they decide the course of action is going to be and if they are going to say...This is how it happened after Episode 3 before Episode 4. Much like the Force Unleashed video game which will set the path as to what occurred after 7 years of the Empire being instituted. This means, that any new stories must fit with the above listed and cannot contradict what GL and company have put out.
The new clone wars series will be real good, and will surpass the original clone series of shorts due to the level of storytelling that will be told plus the way they could tie it in with the movies. Due I think that it will conflict with what Dark Horse has done...probably not, but you can kiss the video game, animation, and possible short stories as bye bye. I do feel that the new series will tie real well with the novels, and we may get a new loo towards the begining Battle of Corsucant. Now that is worth watcihing alone.
The true EU for me represents, the novels, comic books, video games, roleplaying games, short stories, and the toys, since they have over the yeasr been the ones to over all eras. The others, well, maybe EU, but not on the same level.
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Trip
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Date Posted:
2/11 10:49pm
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They're EU, in that they're not the movies, but this has no bearing on their canon standing: for our purposes, everything-- including the films-- are the same "level" of canon.
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Darth-Wyrm
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Just saw this quote on the USA Today CW article and thought it was relevant to this discussion:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-02-11-clone-wars-side_N.htm
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And creator George Lucas is looking over the animators' shoulders to keep the stories straight, Filoni says. "The more he saw, the more he liked, the more he challenged us, and the more he became involved," he says. "George's involvement makes everyone realize we really are making Star Wars— not a version of it, or an interpretation, but the real thing. He has helped us make sure we get that Star Wars feeling in every episode and every frame."
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The2ndQuest
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vong333 posted:
Yes, GL has given input on numerosu projects, but not on the same level that the video game, new clone wars series, and the live action seires will take place in.
Actually, I think GL's involvement with TFU is comparable to his level of input on the Jedi Academy trilogy/Tales of the Jedi mythos, as well as the Starfighter game (in that he provided backstory and provided notes & questions to the developers/creators). Let's also not forget he actually wrote the Ewok movies too, which would be beyond his level of involvement in Clone Wars 3D and at least somewhat comparable to the LA series. The early Marvel comics arcs would seem to echo the Clone Wars 3D process to a degree as well.
vong333 posted:
One thing of note also, is that with the exception of the video games, GL and and company have really never authorized the production of any animated or live action show that is not in-between the movies. Just look at the Star Wars Holiday TV Special, The Ewoks and Droids cartoonse series, the 2-d Clone Wars cartoon shorts, and the new clone wars cartoon series (3-d) and the new live action? See a pattern?
Technically, Ewoks and Droids are set before the original movies, produced at a time when such context was "outside the films".
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