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CuppaJoe
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Aug '02
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Date Posted:
3/8 5:50am
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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Darth-Wyrm posted:
What's the difference anyway? At this point, there aren't going to be any more movies, so I can't see anything being more canon from here on out than these TV Shows. It sounds like this is where GL wants to take the franchise anyway for the near future. To me, the TV shows will be just one step away from the movies...and that's probably a good thing anyway.
As for Unleashed...that's tougher to say. GL wanted a video game friendly world and that's what Unleashed is. Guess we'll have to get details of the story before knowing more.
I'm just glad we have so much going on to continue the saga.
Exactly. I think it all just depends on what you want it to be. Yes, by its canonical definition it is a form of EU - but Lucas' involvement can't be ignored. Lucas decides what stays and what goes, I'm sure. And the amount that Lucas has been talking about it (Clone Wars, not TFU) seems to indicate it will have a special place, even if he isn't the sole creative aspect of it. So no, I'm not going to consider it taking place in the "alternate universe" Lucas talks about, even if it fits in with the definition of EU. If there are people who consider Palpatine being cloned after ROTJ canon, then, pshh, I'll consider this canon.
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Darthhelmut
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3/13 12:25pm
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I'd say no. It's orchestrated by the flanneled one...it's his baby.
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JediLight
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3/14 12:51pm
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Well none of it is real. It's all fiction.
To me, it's up to each person if they want to consider each part of the Star Wars Story.
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Blackfryar
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3/16 6:06am
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it's no fiction, it happened "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away"
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SaberJedi2
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3/16 4:39pm
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Haha, agreed. Anything that GL has to do with is not EU.
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MN_JEDI
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3/17 2:05am
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The CW updated article on the main page mentioned that the The CW and the live action will are considered cannon (as in non-EU I assume). Though I'm not sure who was quoted.
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MrDankDonk
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3/17 4:39am
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never mind about whether its canon or not...
where can I find the new preview clip ?
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The2ndQuest
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Date Posted:
3/17 11:15am
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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MN_JEDI posted:
The CW updated article on the main page mentioned that the The CW and the live action will are considered cannon (as in non-EU I assume). Though I'm not sure who was quoted.
Well, technically, everything is canon- it's more a matter of what the relationship of T-canon is with G-canon and C-canon, and if Lucasfilm will be redefining what is currently considered EU to exclude the new TV shows.
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Jedimarine
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3/17 12:28pm
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The2ndQuest posted:
MN_JEDI posted:
The CW updated article on the main page mentioned that the The CW and the live action will are considered cannon (as in non-EU I assume). Though I'm not sure who was quoted.
Well, technically, everything is canon- it's more a matter of what the relationship of T-canon is with G-canon and C-canon, and if Lucasfilm will be redefining what is currently considered EU to exclude the new TV shows.
QFT.
I also wanted to note the TFU was mentioned in the initial post. George's direct involvement with that project has not been shown to be any more substantial then some other Star Wars games that are considered "canon".
There is a terminology breakdown between the public and the fanbase, it would appear. The public sees much as "canon", where it appears some fans see "canon" meaning just G-canon.
When the word "canon" appears in the press, disregard it...most of the time, if it isn't obvious they have no clue what they are talking about...it's someone at LFL dumbing it down for the average Joe.
"canon" according to the shop, is as inclusive of material as possible...of course all this stuff will be included.
As such...I pray every night that Lucas himself is taking advantage of the Holocron, the Wook, and the fans before writing something that might stop the hearts of a percentage of us here and there. He can do it...he has the technology...and if I hear one more word about "vision" overriding consideration, I will hurl.
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The2ndQuest
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3/17 1:23pm
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Lucas himself doesn't really need to consult those sources, since he's not writing these projects. It's the people he delegates that task to (or the people supervising the people he delegates those tasks to) who would be nice to consult such sources (and, as I understand it, would likely be the scenario for many of those working on these projects).
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JediLight
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4/9 7:13pm
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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I thought this was interesting and discussion worthy. According to Lucas, the Clone Wars and Live Action Series belong to him and are consisent with his movies. His comments make the TV shows = the movies.
"Now these three different pillars [himself, Lucas Licensing, fans] don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are under my control and they are consistent within themselves"
An another interesting side note:
"There will be definitely be no Episode 7-9. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything! And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
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The2ndQuest
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4/9 7:45pm
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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That's a fascinating interview there! It appears Lucas is referring specifically to sequel films and restating his stance that he has no story for them and that that is the end of the film story- but this is the first time he's implied that the existence of the "amazing universe" covering that post-ROTJ timespan also factors into the lack of sequel films (though at the same time I can't help but be confused over his comment regarding the lack of cloning Palpatine, when it was he, in fact, who suggested it in the first place  Not to mention how his development of Sidious' motivations in ROTS seemed to track towards similar notions of immortality).
Lucas's simplified explanation for what is consistent with each other is both slightly confusing and reaffirming at the same time- his corner of the universe has been the story of the SW films, and he's striving to keep the new shows consistent with them; yet at the same time we know the TV shows are striving to be consistent with the other EU products, so there's a somewhat unique amount of overlap that sorta daisy-chains everything together. 
Great find!
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zombie
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4/9 7:55pm
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The2ndQuest posted:
though at the same time I can't help but be confused over his comment regarding the lack of cloning Palpatine, when it was he, in fact, who suggested it in the first place
Was it? The Palpatine clone was done in Dark Empire, which two fans had sort of developed independently for Marvel in 1989, and then Dark Horse kind of just inherited it. I never thought Lucas had any input into it.
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The2ndQuest
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4/9 8:09pm
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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Dark Empire was a project in the works for Marvel and DHC eventually acquired it, but Lucasfilm had a few changes made to it since it was originally set just after ROTJ and Tim Zahn didn't want to reference it in his novel, so they adjusted it to be set after the Thrawn trilogy and reference it. A bigger change was DE originally featured a clone of Vader- but Lucas himself nixed that and instead suggested they clone Palpatine instead.
Oddly enough, due to that change, DE ended up, on a thematic level, actually being pretty darn close to what Lucas was planning for the sequel trilogy prior to changing the outlines with ROTJ (ie: Luke uniting with his sister to confront the Emperor, trying to defeat the darkside from within, etc). It's been speculated (especially after the serendipitous alignments regarding Sidious) that those similarities are one reason why Lucas liked DE so much (at least initially  )- he even gave copies out to all his employees as a christmas gift that year (how come my bossses never do anything cool like that? ).
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zombie
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4/9 8:12pm
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Thats very interesting indeed. You wouldn't have a source that explains Lucas altering the whole clone thing do you?
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