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The2ndQuest
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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I'll have to look around, it's been a very long time. Though I suspect that info probably came from Tom Veitch online or in an interview long ago or one of the old letter columns.
EDI-T Aha, I may be slightly off- Lucas did approve the idea at the very least, but the phrasing in these two interview clips suggest Veitch and co suggested the idea for approval and alternatively that Lucas gave them the idea:
http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2007.asp?intID=432
RV: What did you find most enjoyable about writing Star Wars comics?
Tom Veitch: I loved that George Lucas gave us "carte blanche" to think up new ideas and stories. The first idea we gave him (this was back in 1989, you understand) was that the Empire had preserved Vader's costume or a duplicate of it, and that they would put somebody else inside it, so that "Darth Vader" could continue to inspire fear and obedience among the far-flung worlds of the Galaxy. George said "no" to that. Our second idea was that the Emperor should continue to live, through the process of cloning. George said "yes" to that.
http://www.ugo.com/channels/comics/features/starwars/
TV: We had great response. I still get letters from people telling me that Dark Empire was the best of the continuing stories, that it should be made into a movie, that it should be a novel, etc. George Lucas told me personally that he loved it. Some people had a problem with the bringing back of the emperor. But as I have explained elsewhere, we did that under George Lucas' direction. Originally we asked him if we could bring back Darth Vader, assuming that the empire would want to perpetuate the image of Vader in order to strike fear into the hearts of billions. So they would put somebody else inside the Vader costume, of course. But George nixed that and told us we could bring back the emperor.
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zombie
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4/9 9:19pm
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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Awesome. Thanks!
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DarthSapient
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Thanks to Quest for pointing me in the direction of this thread.
As much as it seems counter-intuitive, I believe the CW animated film has to be considered canon. No matter what, over the years the only constant of what we all agreed was canon was the films. The books, comics, and TV shows/cartoons were all EU. Same thing with games, TCG, and CCG.
So here we are with a feature length film, but it's animated. So what makes it EU? What makes it canon? It meets the criteria of being a film. But it doesn't meet the criteria of live action. My vote is it's canon. The EU reaches a smaller group of fans whereas films reach millions around the world.
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The2ndQuest
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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Well, a month or two ago LFL did reveal that "T-Canon" material (CW 3D & the LA series) would be considered part of the same "pillar" of SW as the films, but still be ranked below the films.
For clarification, Lucas has described the story of SW as being 3 pillars: his pillar is the films and TV, then the EU is the second while fan fiction (presumably referring to stuff like Troops, etc) takes up the third.
The grey area, though, is that CW 3D will apparently be referencing EU material where possible, so while it's part of Lucas's pillar due to his awareness of the show's story, it's still not exactly separate from the greater SW continuity. This grey area perception is further supported by Lucas's past comments that "his story" and the EU overlap at times.
Also, I don't think you can really leverage potential audience to determine canonicity- comics like Legacy or KOTOR reach a smaller audience than the novels or video games (usually), but that doesn't stop them from being among the most lauded SW material produced. Then again, neither should popularity be the sole basis either, since in less obvious cases than Legacy or KOTOR, opinions are more subjective.
There's no clear-cut answer, unfortunately. It's a strange beast, Star Wars, but I wouldn't have it any other way 
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DarthSapient
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Interesting that TV would be on the same line as the films. Cause boy, that needs clarification. You've got Droids and Ewoks cartoons. Then there's the two Ewok TV shows and, of course, The Holiday Special. Don't forget the two seasons of Clone Wars on Cartoon Network. And then there's the upcoming Live Action TV Series. So going by that, Life Day is canon!
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The2ndQuest
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Ah, they have clarified that T-canon is only the two new shows. Ewoks, Droids, Holiday Special, Ewok movies & Clone Wars GT are still C-Canon like the majority of the EU.
Which blurs the lines even more since Clone Wars 3D seems to have a relationship with CWGT 
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Okay, so the CW seasons 1/2, CW film, and LA show are one tiny notch under the films. That's pretty helpful to know. What does the T stand for, BTW?
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swcolts157
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No just the new cg show the GT CW is C-canon. T-canon is television canon. Leland Chee said this on the sw.com forum.
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Gotcha. I haven't been to the OS' forums in forever. Basically when Hyperspace's coolness ended with the release of RotS, I stopped going.
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RE: CGI Clone Wars, Force Unleashed and the live action series - is it really EU?
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Pretty much what he said- only CW3D and LA series are T-canon currently. CW GT 1/2 is still C.
The hierarchy definitions are:
George Lucas G-Canon
Television T-Canon
Continuity C-Canon
Secondary of S-Canon
Non N-Canon
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This thread has been very helpful. I had always assumed that GT CW were classified as the same as the new ones.
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So does George's direct involvement in this script and film bump it up to just below the films? I suppose the TV series was lower because he relinquished storylines to the other guy with the long name.
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7/10 11:58am
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I suppose the TV series was lower because he relinquished storylines to the other guy with the long name.
Yep, that makes sense Sapient. Since Clone Wars 3D is Lucas' story (unlike 2D), it elevates the canon status.
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The2ndQuest
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Yeah, his more hands-on approach here is likely the motivating factor behind the classification.
However, since he's not the actual showrunner, it falls below the films (or perhaps simply because they don't want anything but the films at the same level of the films).
On the flipside, he also was heavily involved in the story for the Ewok movies, but they still remain C-canon; so his involvement in the writing or story process isn't a sole factor towards "automatic elevation". I rather suspect it's that factor combined with it dealing more directly with characters end events from or related to the story of the films that does it.
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DarthSapient
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As a kid, when the Ewok TV movies were released, we were ALL talking about it at school for weeks. It was huge for us back then. I know a lot of adults had problems with the Ewoks and bringing the maturity level down of the franchise. As a kid at that time, it was awesome. So for as much as I hate Jar-Jar and his distraction of a performance, I bet kids loved him.
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