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The2ndQuest
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Date Posted:
4/2 12:32pm
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RE: Clone Wars 3D movie/series and how it affects your view of the PT
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To clarify a few points here, to better explain the current situation, keep in mind that the Clone Wars 3D "movie" wasn't developed as a theatrical project- it is, first and foremost, a small screen project whose first 3 episodes just happen to be getting an advanced theatrical screening. Those same 3 episodes will reair in the fall when the series proper launches, as far as we know so far. Take, for example, Battlestar Galactica: Razor- it had an advanced national theatrical screening, but was still a TV/DVD movie.
Additionally, the show/movie is not considered G-canon by Lucasfilm- they've given it a designation of T-canon (which they've not yet revealed if it is something distinct from (or above) C-canon for production purposes, a temporary category, or something else entirely). Lucas's involvement does not always necessarily mean a project is G-canon- there are numerous projects he's been involved with (or, in the case of the Ewok movies, written) that remain C-canon. So, we're sticking to the official classifications/policies for now. If things change, so will we.
As far as the thread move goes- I agreed that a thread that has veered off topic regarding the CW3D show was welcome to be moved over to SSSW. However, moving the thread back is always a possibility I'm open to, should the topic course-correct itself and the PT mods wish it.
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SithStarSlayer
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4/2 1:13pm
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The thread was set-up properly but got derailed a bit.
If people read through before jumping in, they'd see what the discussion is really all about.
The canon level does not concern me, because as I previoulsy posted... Lucas is heavily involved. Nor am I concerned with LFL intentions on the project: the fact is, they are releasing another Star Wars movie. I understand where you are coming from and what you are saying The2ndQuest, but this thread was worded-right, correctly titled and in the right place when I started it.
GARTH_MAUL posted:
Sorry, but you've got "3D movie/series" in your thread title.
Actually, a MOD changed the title to include the 'series' part.
I specifically started the thread based on the movie launch.
GARTH_MAUL posted:
90% of The Clone Wars will be television episodes.
That is not my concern. My concern is with elements of the story that are affected by the 'in between changes' that this movie will present. They are marketing Anakin's padawan BIG-time, and for me... that impacts my view of the PT.
Maderic posted:
Anyhow... as far as the Clone Wars show is concerned, it's already changing my perception of the prequels in regards to Anakin and I don't like it. The decision to give him an apprentice is quite possibly the worst one ever devised by official sources, save for maybe still treating Splinter of the Mind's Eye as cannon, and I feel it only cheapens the entire saga and weakens Anakin's character.
Exactly, why I started this thread.
GARTH_MAUL posted:
(1) He's the Chosen One, and like the Council tested him in his assignment to protect Padme in AOTC, they think that having to look after a Padawan might help mature him;
But that flies in the face of the gunship dialogue in ROTS.
Again, another example of why this relevant to the PT forum.
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The2ndQuest
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SithStarSlayer posted:
but this thread was worded-right, correctly titled and in the right place when I started it.
I don't disagree.
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Obi-Chron
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I'm more than just a bit taken aback that a previously mod 'approved' thread, one well populated and purposefully discussing a Lucas produced and controlled, theatrically released FILM, is suddenly and without notice to the author moved to a less relevant EU, small screen board.
It took some determined detective work to find this thread again. It suddenly just 'disappeared' without any residual notice on the prequel boards. One would think that as long as TFN has been around there would be more sensitivity in moving threads. It is as if an elect few discussed this amongst themselves and left the 'customer,' those who populate these threads, totally out of their conclave. Most importantly, Sx3 was left in the dark on this move. If this doesn't insult him, it certainly insults me.
Sad. So very sad. And the mods wonder why folks aren't visiting and posting as much as before. This sure ain't the way to encourage innovative, free thinking SW discussion IMO. A fog seems to be insidiously settling over the TFN . . .
Censor away! It seems the way of things these days . . . we will move elsewhere if we must.
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GARTH_MAUL
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Date Posted:
4/2 5:58pm
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SithStarSlayer posted:
The thread was set-up properly but got derailed a bit.
Exactly; and quite frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised if the thread was locked until after the film came out, or at least the main trailer.
SSS - I think both Quest and I are in agreement with you that this can be a very valid PT thread.
Part of the argument I'm trying to forestall is about The Clone Wars in general, and where the subforum belongs.
I too think this thread should be in the PT, so long as it stays on topic. If it becomes (was becoming) a PT thread simply to discuss TCW, then the move makes more sense.
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The2ndQuest
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Obi-Chron posted:
...to the author moved to a less relevant EU, small screen board.
SSSW will be the forum where the majority of discussion for the Clone Wars 3D series (including the 3-4 episodes being screened theatrically) takes place and is directed to (one reason why we split up the Eu category to make the TV section more prominent and easier to find- especially when the Live Action series likely gets it's own companion forum to SSSW in the future). So, it's ,by no stretch, "less relevant".
However, we will be permitting forums (such as the film forums & Literature) to have a thread specifically to discuss the new shows in relation to their subject matter, as this thread initially did.
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Obi-Chron
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The2ndQuest posted:
. . . it's ,by no stretch, "less relevant".
It is for BIG SCREEN THEATRICALLY RELEASED LUCAS-HEADED FILMS.
Once The Clone Wars animated TV series starts, it's a whole 'nother bunch of bananas for these boards.
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SithStarSlayer
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Not to offend, but I don't think I've ever visited the SSSW before this, The2ndQuest.
I frequent certain threads in the LIT, Games, FanForce, the PT and sometimes even the Saga forum... I also find this place to be less relevant because I've never been, or really even heard of it until now. And, I appreciate Obi-Chron's dedication to what this thread is about, he has been here since it began.
Garth Maul posted:
SSS - I think both Quest and I are in agreement with you that this can be a very valid PT thread.
Muy bueno! Seriously, very good... the whole Anakin has a padawan thing changes the dynamic for a lot of the critical dialogue in ROTS. That really is the heart of the matter, for me at least.
The Council scene is very different to me now, and the Jedi look more pompous.
His conversation with Padme about wanting more might have a new layer.
Are there really going be a fog of lies that Anakin sorts through?
Will we see Anakin tell Palpatine about the Sand People?
Will Yoda be around padme and Skywalker much, and if so, how blind will he really look?
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GARTH_MAUL
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Again, in years to come, SSSW might become one of the most visited forums on the JC. Obviously the JCC, Movies, Games and Books were far more popular, but now we're going to see 2 full-time television series, which will be huge. Probably.
Anyways, on point, I am very, very interested to see how much the show will reflect on, develop, contradict or twist the events we've seen in the Saga so far.
I don't think there's any room for huge twists, but then I didn't think they'd give Anakin a Padawan.
Maybe we're blowing this Ashoka thing out of proportion - maybe it's for a short time. Maybe they were just trying to get our attention with a bold move - well, it worked.
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Strilo
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SSS you know better than to derail a thread questioning a moderator decision. If you have questions about why this thread was moved here, you should have PM'd any of us involved in the decision. Being that you have raised a ruckus in here, I will address it in here for now. This thread continually had posts dealing entirely with the CW3D project and not at all with the PT. It is because of how you worded the original post that we allowed it and tried to keep it working within PT for so long. But as with many threads in the JC, you and your thread idea do not exist in a vacuum. Other posters come in and discuss things as the topic flows on. Time and time again, this topic flowed to totally CW3D posts. It's understandable! Everyone is excited about the new series, or perhaps dreading it, and there are a lot of energetic things to discuss.
The three PT mods posted gentle nudges, firmer requests and even an in thread warning to get this thing back on a topic that was suitable for PT. We are only going to ask so many times before action is taken. It was either move the thread here where it could discuss whatever it wants or lock it. We figured you guys would appreciate us not locking it. Rather than sitting there and fighting the flow of this thread, we figured why not just bring it here where it could just be free to go wherever the topic went.
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Date Posted:
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Would it really have been so bad to let it go off topic and keep it in PT? At least people are actually posting in PT, in these post PT days, I would have thought thats the main thing? I believe the time is here, where the old rules of keeping topics rigidly on topic need to be relaxed somewhat.
That said, at least its allowed SSS and Obi-Chron to experiance another forum, so PT loss is SSSW gain. 
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I do know better.
But for as long as I've posted in the PT forum, and for the lengths that I went to in order to set this up so that it was relevant... the least that could have been done was notify me of the pending move. I think I've earned as much. I would have taken the time to PM all the regular knuckleheads  that frequent this topic to remind them what the thread is about...
It impacts ROTS way too much to belong anywhere else. I would rather have seen it get locked, than moved.
No sense going to a forum I don't visit, especially when it doesn't fit the intention of my thread.
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The Title should be changed to:
Clone Wars 3D-MOVIE spoilers and how they affect your view of ROTS
Maybe that would help with some of the off-topic rancor poodoo.
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SithStarSlayer posted:
I would rather have seen it get locked, than moved.
No sense going to a forum I don't visit, especially when it doesn't fit the intention of my thread.
Is there any reason you don't want to visit SSSW? Stay. You might just like it.
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SSS if you want me to move it back to PT and lock it I will.
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maderic posted:
IF you talk about a discrepancy between prequel Kenobi and Episode IV Old Ben, I agree--there is one. It's there, however, because he's had nearly two decades to change his thoughts. He realizes, with Qui-Gon's help, that the way the Jedi Council saw things was wrong. The Order was too strict, too overbearing, and blinded by itself. The Order fell because it deserved to; it couldn't see what was right under their noses the entire time. One would think that if you held a rigid set of beliefs, then saw everyone you ever knew or loved die at that hands of the person you thought of as your brother, you're likely to get a change of ideals after a while...
Maybe it was just the hot suns.
Anyhow... as far as the Clone Wars show is concerned, it's already changing my perception of the prequels in regards to Anakin and I don't like it. The decision to give him an apprentice is quite possibly the worst one ever devised by official sources, save for maybe still treating Splinter of the Mind's Eye as cannon, and I feel it only cheapens the entire saga and weakens Anakin's character. I hope the show changes my mind, but I have my doubts.
I wouldn't worry about the padawan because A) No one has any idea as to how this will be done story wise. And B) Doesn't it make complete sense that Anakin losing his padawan (who he cares deeply about) during the Clone Wars would exacerbate his issues with not being able to let go? I mean think about it. During the war Ahsoka dies in a way that Anakin couldn't prevent because he wasn't strong enough.....that would drive him nuts. Then he starts having these dreams about Padme dying....that sends him overboard. So to me him having a padawan makes complete sense.
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