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The2ndQuest
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RE: Clone Wars 3D movie/series and how it affects your view of the PT
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SithStarSlayer posted:
Not to offend, but I don't think I've ever visited the SSSW before this, The2ndQuest.
I frequent certain threads in the LIT, Games, FanForce, the PT and sometimes even the Saga forum... I also find this place to be less relevant because I've never been, or really even heard of it until now.
SSSW has been a small forum for the past 3 or 4 years, and has been a little hard to find since it's been in two different categories in that timeframe. That's why we decided to branch it off into it's own catgeory- to help address the problem of people not being aware of it, because users will need to be as the shows near.
Obi-Chron posted:
It is for BIG SCREEN THEATRICALLY RELEASED LUCAS-HEADED FILMS.
You're splitting hairs. It's a TV series first and foremost as intended. The theatrical preview is an afterthought. Like I said before with the BSG Razor example- having an advanced national screening doesn't make BSGR a "big screen threatrically releases Moore-headed film"- it's still a TV/DVD movie.
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SithStarSlayer
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Thanks for the rundown The2ndQuest, and yes we could split hairs on the theatrical release ad nauseum... but all that would leave us with is some really funky-hairdoo's, and since K'Kruhk already corners the market on the sweetest hat in any galaxy, I think that would be a waste of time.
Strilo posted:
SSS if you want me to move it back to PT and lock it I will.
Strilo, you know I didn't start this thread to discuss the CW tv show as a whole. In fact, I really don't care much about the whole series as much as I care about what we are going to see on the BIG lcd... Because that is Star Wars to me. There will be a gazillion threads started in here once the TV show hits the airwaves. That isn't what this thread is about. I don't want it to get lost in that shuffle, because this topic is dovetailed into what didn't happen in the PT, more specifically ROTS.
Berkyjay posted:
I wouldn't worry about the padawan because A) No one has any idea as to how this will be done story wise. And B) Doesn't it make complete sense that Anakin losing his padawan (who he cares deeply about) during the Clone Wars would exacerbate his issues with not being able to let go? I mean think about it. During the war Ahsoka dies in a way that Anakin couldn't prevent because he wasn't strong enough.....that would drive him nuts. Then he starts having these dreams about Padme dying....that sends him overboard. So to me him having a padawan makes complete sense.
As has been previously stated, the Padawan is huuuuge when you revisit certain dialogue in ROTS. What is set to transpire inside this CW-Movie (I still don't care about what comes afterwards on TV) will alter those ROTS scenes on different levels.
G-FETT posted:
Is there any reason you don't want to visit SSSW? Stay. You might just like it
I appreciate the offer G-FETT, but the small screen does little for me at this point in time. Add to that, the fact that I don't plan on watching the TV show with the same zeal as the theatrical release of the first three Episodes... and you can see why I'm fighting to keep this thread where it belongs. Of course my interest level could change if I walk away from Episode 2.5 impressed. The flip side of that will only serve to cure the concrete on my current POV.
After all of this productive and robust dialogue...
This thread should be in the place where I feel that it belongs, if it will not be moved back, then I am (as the thread's creator) requesting that it be locked.
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The2ndQuest posted:
Obi-Chron posted:
It is for BIG SCREEN THEATRICALLY RELEASED LUCAS-HEADED FILMS.
You're splitting hairs. It's a TV series first and foremost as intended. The theatrical preview is an afterthought. Like I said before with the BSG Razor example- having an advanced national screening doesn't make BSGR a "big screen threatrically releases Moore-headed film"- it's still a TV/DVD movie.
No, I respectfully request that you check your calendar. The Clone Wars 3D animated enterprise is officially a movie first, then a TV series second. Marketing chronology matters more than conceptual chronology! Never mind the Lucas participation in the animated movie, which automatically excludes said theatrical release from being EU. Same goes for the series.
G-Fett -- been here on the Small Screen boards before. Not much going on -- til now. Perhaps dragging Sx3's thread here was a good idea, since folks seem to be coming over to comment on this contentious moving of his thread. Moving this thread here brought me back to the Small Screen boards, if only to search for this suddenly lost Sx3 Prequel oriented masterpiece. If this thread was moved here to draw an audience, I applaud the dark and sinister tactics.
What to do? What to do? It's launched with a movie! it's not the EU?
Strilo -- some honest observation -- Do you actually preview your own posts? You chastised Sx3 for not PMing the mods, but did any mod PM him when the decision was being made to move his thread here? Loaded question -- I know you didn't, because he found out from me after I had to search to find this thread! Dialog goes both ways, no? Sx3 was flogged in public instead of guided and mentored by the mods in private on this matter. 
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GARTH_MAUL
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4/3 8:23pm
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Obi-Chron posted:
No, I respectfully request that you check your calendar. The Clone Wars 3D animated enterprise is officially a movie first, then a TV series second. Marketing chronology matters more than conceptual chronology! Never mind the Lucas participation in the animated movie, which automatically excludes said theatrical release from being EU. Same goes for the series.
From the OS:
The theatrical debut of Star Wars: The Clone Wars is only the beginning of all-new Star Wars adventures that continue in the fall when the long-awaited television series premieres on Cartoon Network, followed by airings on TNT. Details regarding international broadcasts will be announced shortly. Star Wars: The Clone Wars showcases an entirely new look and feel to the galaxy far, far away -- combining the expansive scope of the Star Wars Saga with state-of-the-art computer-generated animation. Each week, viewers will see a thrilling, 30-minute "mini-movie" created by the talented artists at Lucasfilm Animation.
They're debuting it in theatres specifically to drum up interest for the television series, which is currently set at 3 seasons.
If they were just releasing a theatrical SW:TCW, or straight-to-DVD feature, you'd have a much better argument.
Then again, there's 2 different things to argue:
(1) Where all TCW discussion belongs - which is in SSSW.
(2) Where all TCW specifically as it relates to the PT belongs - which is the PT Forum.
Anyway, SSS - I find it very curious that you're extremely interested in the theatrical release of TCW, but have no plans to watch the rest of it. You could be missing some great stories...
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Berkyjay
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Berkyjay posted:
I wouldn't worry about the padawan because A) No one has any idea as to how this will be done story wise. And B) Doesn't it make complete sense that Anakin losing his padawan (who he cares deeply about) during the Clone Wars would exacerbate his issues with not being able to let go? I mean think about it. During the war Ahsoka dies in a way that Anakin couldn't prevent because he wasn't strong enough.....that would drive him nuts. Then he starts having these dreams about Padme dying....that sends him overboard. So to me him having a padawan makes complete sense.
As has been previously stated, the Padawan is huuuuge when you revisit certain dialogue in ROTS. What is set to transpire inside this CW-Movie (I still don't care about what comes afterwards on TV) will alter those ROTS scenes on different levels.
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See this is the problem that a lot of us Star Wars fans run into......we look waaaay to close at all of this. I know for a fact that George doesn't concern himself at all whether he contradicts himself or not. He was notorious for doing this during the prequels because all he cared about was making the movie (or even just a single shot) he was working on at the moment work. If that meant contradicting something he established in the previous movie then so be it. So if you are looking for the new TV shows to fit nice and snug with the movies....well you are going to be very disappointed. My advice is to watch the show and enjoy it for what it is and don't try to resolve every little detail from the movies (And don't even try to resolve it with the EU).
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GARTH_MAUL posted:
Obi-Chron posted:
No, I respectfully request that you check your calendar. The Clone Wars 3D animated enterprise is officially a movie first, then a TV series second. Marketing chronology matters more than conceptual chronology! Never mind the Lucas participation in the animated movie, which automatically excludes said theatrical release from being EU. Same goes for the series.
From the OS:
The theatrical debut of Star Wars: The Clone Wars is only the beginning of all-new Star Wars adventures that continue in the fall when the long-awaited television series premieres on Cartoon Network, followed by airings on TNT. Details regarding international broadcasts will be announced shortly. Star Wars: The Clone Wars showcases an entirely new look and feel to the galaxy far, far away -- combining the expansive scope of the Star Wars Saga with state-of-the-art computer-generated animation. Each week, viewers will see a thrilling, 30-minute "mini-movie" created by the talented artists at Lucasfilm Animation.
They're debuting it in theatres specifically to drum up interest for the television series, which is currently set at 3 seasons.
If they were just releasing a theatrical SW:TCW, or straight-to-DVD feature, you'd have a much better argument.
Then again, there's 2 different things to argue:
(1) Where all TCW discussion belongs - which is in SSSW.
(2) Where all TCW specifically as it relates to the PT belongs - which is the PT Forum.
Anyway, SSS - I find it very curious that you're extremely interested in the theatrical release of TCW, but have no plans to watch the rest of it. You could be missing some great stories...
You are correct that this is a TV series first and that the movie was more of an after thought though got some serious legs to it.
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SithStarSlayer
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GARTH-MAUL posted:
Anyway, SSS - I find it very curious that you're extremely interested in the theatrical release of TCW, but have no plans to watch the rest of it. You could be missing some great stories...
I thought that was what the PT was for. 
Truthfully, I'm really only watching the CW movie to see what Lucas left out when he was 'playing around' soo much in the first two. Dooku, Ventress, Durge and the Clones matter not to me... seeing Anakin with a Padawan though is priceless. ROTS will not be the same after this movie comes out.
And as for the OS quote, that can be dismissed with a wave of the hand. "That isn't the quote you're looking for..." The canon debate has always been the movies versus everything else. They can spin it however they want, but the money from ticket sales spends all the same... they put it in theaters, I call it canon. Simple as that.
What they do after the fact, or even did in pre-planning, does not or cannot change the fact that this project is initially being released as a film.
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Awww... do you need a  ?
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Are we back at discussing the topic again?  
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Obi-Chron posted:
G-Fett -- been here on the Small Screen boards before. Not much going on -- til now. Perhaps dragging Sx3's thread here was a good idea, since folks seem to be coming over to comment on this contentious moving of his thread. Moving this thread here brought me back to the Small Screen boards, if only to search for this suddenly lost Sx3 Prequel oriented masterpiece. If this thread was moved here to draw an audience, I applaud the dark and sinister tactics.
What to do? What to do? It's launched with a movie! it's not the EU?
I would be highly confident that the thread was moved simply because it had wandered off topic, so it was moved to a forum that was more condusive to where the topic had gone to. There was almost certainly nothing "dark and sinister" about the decision. My point was simply that there are people that never venture out of their favourite forums, and I think thats sad. But nobody should be forced to post anywhere and moving this thread wasn't about trying to force you to post in SSSW as opposed to PT. It was about moving it because it had gone off topic for PT. Now, the question I would ask is;
Is going off topic such a bad thing?
All threads take on a life of their own, and very often will gradually shift away from where they started and possiby even move into areas that not really pertinent to the forum they are posted in. Is that something we should be concerned about?
Well, speaking as someone that has seen it, done it and got the T-Shirt on dealing with redundant and off topic threads, I would say that increasingly mods (particularly those in the movie forums, where we seem to be struggling to retain users) should give a free reign to threads and let them take off and go in whatever direction they go in. The main issue, IMO, is to retain users and if one thread that users find interesting goes off topic, is that so bad if they are then also posting in three or four on topic threads?
The days of the rules enforcement era are over and I feel users now expect and want a more relaxed experiance in which to enjoy the Boards.
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It's only that instead of a discussion about the thread's topic, I find a discussion about where the thread should go.
Anyway, I was just asking. Take your time, get this straight.
Somebody pm me when we're back on topic? It sounded interesting.
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On topic, I think that until we actually see what they have done with The Clone Wars its very difficult to say whether it will effect the way I view the PT. I mean, I suppose its bound to, to some degree, but is that such a bad thing anyway? It may change the way I view certain things for the better or the worse. Until we see it, we don't know.
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I wouldn't say that a change of how you view the PT has to be bad. It couldn't become any worse for ma anyway. 
So far, the biggest effect on me is that I am willing to say 'to hell with continuity'.
Has taken me long enough. so far, I always tried to stick things together neatly, but with Ahsoka (who is my personal fave of Clone Wars so far) who doesn't ever get mentioned in RotS, I am willing to throw continuity overboard. Provided the series is coherent and making sense in itself. 
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MsLanna posted:
So far, the biggest effect on me is that I am willing to say 'to hell with continuity'.
Has taken me long enough. so far, I always tried to stick things together neatly, but with Ahsoka (who is my personal fave of Clone Wars so far) who doesn't ever get mentioned in RotS, I am willing to throw continuity overboard. Provided the series is coherent and making sense in itself.
Perhaps it's a good move by LFL to introduce Ahsoka, considering that she's already managed to polarize fans!!
As I stated, I was surprised at this move ("it's too aggressive"), but I don't think it necessarily screws up ROTS. There was a whole lot going on in that film, and the subject simply might never have come up.
E.g. just because we don't ever see Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about Qui-Gon, doesn't mean they never had a conversation about him. 
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