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Jango_Fettish
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RE: Clone Wars 3D movie/series and how it affects your view of the PT
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Anakin's attachment issues were dealt with plenty in AOTC and ROTS. That's basically all we got of him. I'm looking for the show to emphasize his friendship with Obi-Wan. The only bit of that we got was the beginning scenes of ROTS, which are honestly the most fun parts of the PT, IMO.
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zombie
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Jango_Fettish posted:
Anakin's attachment issues were dealt with plenty in AOTC and ROTS. That's basically all we got of him. I'm looking for the show to emphasize his friendship with Obi-Wan. The only bit of that we got was the beginning scenes of ROTS, which are honestly the most fun parts of the PT, IMO.
I very much agree.
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SithStarSlayer
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
So isn't that a good thing that it's being dealt with now?
No. It belonged in the PT movies, not some add-on to the saga.
Jango_Fettish posted:
Anakin's attachment issues were dealt with plenty in AOTC and ROTS.
That's basically all we got of him.
"You must train yourself to let go..."
I'd hardly call one scene that addresses the issue, plenty.
Besides; based on dialogue, Kenobi wasn't all that concerned with Anakin's unhealthy attachments...
he voiced his concern about Anakin's arrogance.
Jango_Fettish posted:
I'm looking for the show to emphasize his friendship with Obi-Wan.
Wasn't that the REAL purpose of the PREQUEL TRILOGY, to tell us Darth Vader's backstory?
Or do I need to pull-out those old Lucas quotes? 
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Jango_Fettish
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SithStarSlayer posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
So isn't that a good thing that it's being dealt with now?
No. It belonged in the PT movies, not some add-on to the saga.
Jango_Fettish posted:
Anakin's attachment issues were dealt with plenty in AOTC and ROTS.
That's basically all we got of him.
"You must train yourself to let go..."
I'd hardly call one scene that addresses the issue, plenty.
TPM dealt with Anakin missing his mother, a main subplot os AOTC was him worrying over her fate then disobeying the Jedi to go find her, and his attachment to Padme is why he falls in ROTS because he cannot let go. Just because the Jedi aren't talking about it all the time doesn't mean it hasn't been fully explored. We know they were concerned. And I agree, Eps. I and II really botched Anakin and Ben's friendship.
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Berkyjay
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zombie posted:
GARTH_MAUL posted:
Well, based on what I've heard of the new Hyperspace (boo...) Clone Wars video, the Council wants to give Anakin a Padawan
I guess I"ll highlight this:
to try to get him used to not being attached to people and things.
Right, cause that makes so much sense. Lets get him used to being unattached to people by attaching him to a person. My enthusiasm is waning. I was really hoping that they would do something with giving Anakin a Padawan, but this is just lazy writing.
Wow....really? I mean honestly the way this is playing out couldn't make any more sense to me. I really can't believe how people hold on so tightly to how they see the story in their heads. Maybe you should take a lesson from Anakin and learn to let go a little. I have learned to love Star Wars by havinf a very diffuse view of everything that goes on. Because if you look at it too closely everything will start breaking down on you because there are just so many cooks in the kitchen.
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Jango_Fettish posted:
SithStarSlayer posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
So isn't that a good thing that it's being dealt with now?
No. It belonged in the PT movies, not some add-on to the saga.
Jango_Fettish posted:
Anakin's attachment issues were dealt with plenty in AOTC and ROTS.
That's basically all we got of him.
"You must train yourself to let go..."
I'd hardly call one scene that addresses the issue, plenty.
TPM dealt with Anakin missing his mother, a main subplot os AOTC was him worrying over her fate then disobeying the Jedi to go find her, and his attachment to Padme is why he falls in ROTS because he cannot let go. Just because the Jedi aren't talking about it all the time doesn't mean it hasn't been fully explored. We know they were concerned. And I agree, Eps. I and II really botched Anakin and Ben's friendship.
I wasn't counting TPM since the Clone Wars movie is between II and III. And yes, it was botched in the first two films. In iII, they were great.
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Berkyjay posted:
zombie posted:
GARTH_MAUL posted:
Well, based on what I've heard of the new Hyperspace (boo...) Clone Wars video, the Council wants to give Anakin a Padawan
I guess I"ll highlight this:
to try to get him used to not being attached to people and things.
Right, cause that makes so much sense. Lets get him used to being unattached to people by attaching him to a person. My enthusiasm is waning. I was really hoping that they would do something with giving Anakin a Padawan, but this is just lazy writing.
Wow....really? I mean honestly the way this is playing out couldn't make any more sense to me. I really can't believe how people hold on so tightly to how they see the story in their heads. Maybe you should take a lesson from Anakin and learn to let go a little. I have learned to love Star Wars by havinf a very diffuse view of everything that goes on. Because if you look at it too closely everything will start breaking down on you because there are just so many cooks in the kitchen.
So true. I think George is pretty happy the way it all turned out, and Star Wars is his, after all. I'm sure if he wanted our input, he would've asked.
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Berkyjay posted:
zombie posted:
GARTH_MAUL posted:
Well, based on what I've heard of the new Hyperspace (boo...) Clone Wars video, the Council wants to give Anakin a Padawan
I guess I"ll highlight this:
to try to get him used to not being attached to people and things.
Right, cause that makes so much sense. Lets get him used to being unattached to people by attaching him to a person. My enthusiasm is waning. I was really hoping that they would do something with giving Anakin a Padawan, but this is just lazy writing.
Wow....really? I mean honestly the way this is playing out couldn't make any more sense to me. I really can't believe how people hold on so tightly to how they see the story in their heads. Maybe you should take a lesson from Anakin and learn to let go a little. I have learned to love Star Wars by havinf a very diffuse view of everything that goes on. Because if you look at it too closely everything will start breaking down on you because there are just so many cooks in the kitchen.
Its not that it deviates from what I thought they would do, its that it makes no sense.
The mentor-padawan teaming is an intensely personal relationship that brings people together, a deeply spiritually satisfying and emotionally involving experience, as Obi Wan says Anakin is "like my brother" and Anakin says "you're the closest thing I've had to a father." Not every master-padawan relationship is necessarily exactly like this but ideally they are, its sort of the whole concept behind pairing up a student with a master. So if you are trying to teach someone to let go of things, to be more casual towards relationships and possessiveness, why would you put them into an intimate personal relationship with someone else?? Not only that, a personal relationship in which they are the authority figure, hence all the more reason to encourage possessiveness, etc. It was bad enough that, given how the Jedi council viewed Anakin, they would think he would be able to train others.
Not only that, if he hasn't yet mastered the Jedi code (possessiveness) why would you give him a student?? Thats a position of enormous responsibility, enormous. They are trying to teach Anakin by allowing him to mould someone even more vulnerable than him? It just makes no sense. Everything is the complete opposite of logic, its like bizaro-land. If this is indicative of the writing the rest of the series is going to get--which is not that crazy a presupposition--then the ships gone down before it even left the harbor.
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There's a saying that teachers often learn more than their students. Perhaps they were hoping that Anakin would see in himself what he was trying to teach Ahsoka about Jedi qualities. It makes plenty of sense to me. Even though he wasn't a master, he was still on the council, which means he was one of the top Jedi. It would make sense to give him a padawan before they give some master that's not on the council.
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Apologies to those who consider this off topic, but the placement of this thread on this board IMO is off topic for reasons I state below. I don't intend to 'throw stones' with what follows. In fact, I humbly post a recommendation for the mods at the end of this post to try and resolve this debate. And with that disclaimer . . . .
What becomes increasing evident as I read these proceedings is that the mods have 'A' view of what is and is not EU, one that is both highly contentious and does not appear to conform with Lucas' own views on what is and is not canon.
Sx3 definitely gets it. This thread is dead on target, addressing the morphing nature of what is/was PT generated canon via a theatrically released animated 3D MOVIE that chronologically precedes the new animated TV series. How will Lucas' direct involvement in this 'tweener' animated film affect our views of what was once confined only to a six part live action film universe? How indeed. We could use an entire new board to discuss this topic.
The Clone Wars animated big screen film is a Lucas headed big screen movie effort -- by default not EU. Yet the mods 'generally' remain entrenched in what is obviously outdated paradigm for 'official' canon, one which fits only an old 'six part' live action movie/screen play/novel paradigm. Whether real or imagined, to me this became glaringly evident when, after moving Sx3's thread to this board, the entire board name was changed to retro-conform to the predominantly outmoded views of the majority of the mods. The resultant confusion over the move and the controversy it has generated indicates that either the rationale for the move was either flawed or not satisfactorily explained -- perhaps both.
My recommendation? This tread could well be moved to a brand new board placed under Star Wars Films and LucasFilm Projects, as that is what the animated movie and resultant series actually are (although as Sx3 notes above, his original title did not address the series -- this was added without his approval by the mods).
Since the 3D film, animated series and live action series all are Lucas led, they are not EU and are obviously LucasFilm (or more accurately, Lucas) projects. As such, we are really discussing aspects of George Lucas led efforts, i.e., official SW canon -- not EU.
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I'm extremely excited about this new movie and no I don't think it will change how I see the PT in any negative way. I'm a Star Wars fan so any new Star Wars is always good. Especially from the Clone Wars/PT era.
I was a little taken back by Anakin getting a Padawan but having seen the explanation as to why he gets one, I do think is adds more to Anakin's character in ROTS. I think that if he does loose Ahsoka during the Clone Wars, Anakin's dream about Padme dying and possibly losing another person in his life he cares about, will re-enforce Anakin's desperation for the power to stop someone from dying and his subsequent fall to the darkside. Anakin actually being someone's Master yet being denied the title adds more meaning. The Council's high handedness in ordering Anakin to spy on Palpatine is reflected in the Council assigning Anakin a Padawan not of his own choosing. I think a lot of the themes in the PT are going to be re-enforced in the new movie and the series.
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Jango_Fettish posted:
I'm looking for the show to emphasize his friendship with Obi-Wan. The only bit of that we got was the beginning scenes of ROTS, which are honestly the most fun parts of the PT, IMO.
Same. They were/are my primary interest in the PT, and I was a little upset that their relationship/friendship wasn't fully explored to the degree it could have been and was pretty much put on the sidelines :\, and not even a tiny bit was shown in TPM. So for me, this is a chance to make up for that and I'm excited. 
So in actuality here, this will enhance the PT for me.
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That is EXACTLY why this thread belongs in the PT FORUM.
This isn't about the Clones, its about the character progression that should have taken place in the PT films, not in a post-script cartoon to the saga.
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In other words, Maul , the animated 3D movi is not EU but canon character development from the mind of Lucas that happens between AOTC and ROTS. The TV series which follows the movie then carries that plot point forward.
The canundrum caused by an EU board now debating PT character development from a canon (Lucas) source. Bad move putting Sx3's thread here, as anything from the mind of Lucas affecting the six films is not really EU (such as books and screen plays about the movies, which include canon material not seen in the movie in the same way the 'tweener' animated movie will do -- only in much more detail).
Lucas' vision has transcended the structure of these boards. Sx3 brilliantly recognized that, and for his insight he became caught in the middle of the resulting chaos. His situation is much akin to Qui-Gon before the council -- having much deeper understanding of the dynamics at play around us than the so-called 'masters.'
Now that Lucas is at the helm of the animated movie/series and live action series, Sx3's thread should serve as the spring board for an entirely new board under " Star Wars Films and LucasFilm Projects." This board could then address:
- the animated 3D movie
- the animated TV series
- the live action TV series [hmm, do you THINK it will launch with a movie too?]
- other tbd Lucas works [see above comment]
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