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The *Official* Ahsoka in The Clone Wars thread (general discussion)
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johnboy3441
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4/25 3:32pm
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RE: Ahsoka: What will her importance be in The Clone Wars?
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AhsokaMiro posted:
Yahbut... she's like eleven years old! Anakin likes "older" women.
Yeah, but she's also a Togruta. Maybe all the important pieces have the right proportions by eleven.
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Tyi-Maet_Nefer
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4/27 10:41am
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oh, great.
Wrong mental image! 
_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
I'm thinking she will be grateful. Sure, it sucks to be given a master to serve as a learning experience FOR the master, but it would be an honour to be Anakin Skywalkers apprentice. He has some great talents he could pass on to her.
It would also be every kid's dream to be an apprentice to the exciting, daring, heroic and handsome / male idol Jedi who is all over the galaxy. I mean, let's face it; adventure is what anybody would want at that age. Anakin is the Jedi of the Clone Wars. Imagine the stories around the Jedi Temple . . . She'd be feeling extremely lucky to be his padawan regardless of other people's intentions.
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TaradosGon
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I don't see her getting killed by Dooku or Grievous. It would make Anakin's scenes with those characters a lot more awkward in ROTS, as he fails to mention her to either of them, or get angry.
I figure the Council will eventually decide that Anakin is not ready to have an apprentice and decide to reassign her to another master. That would setback Anakin's goal of becoming a master (which again occurs when he is assigned to the Jedi Council but not made a master), and I think the emotional consequences of losing an apprentice to reassignment would be more consistent with Anakin's behavior in ROTS, rather than the emotional consequences of a murdered apprentice.
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WookieeWarrior9
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5/17 6:46pm
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Yeah, I agree that he might very well gaff it and she gets reassigned.
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darth_nemisis
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5/18 8:40am
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Hmm...that is a good idea, and it sounds reasonable. And, it'd be kind of cool to bring her into the equation in the LA series if they decide to have some Jedi in it. She'd be a great addition to it, IMO.
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Tyi-Maet_Nefer
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I don't really see the Council reassigning her since it appears to be Yoda himself who assigned Ahsoka to Anakin in the first place. That would just seem weird if Yoda, as part of the council, then took her away from him. no?
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WookieeWarrior9
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Tyi-Maet_Nefer posted:
I don't really see the Council reassigning her since it appears to be Yoda himself who assigned Ahsoka to Anakin in the first place. That would just seem weird if Yoda, as part of the council, then took her away from him. no?
Not if he screwed the pooch. It would add to why he seems so irritated with the council in III.
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darth_nemisis
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I don't know. Not to sound sadistic or anything, but I think it'd be better to have her die out by some Separatist attack or something. It would further his hatred for them and want him to end the war sooner, as well as wanting to destroy the leaders of the Separatists.
These were already posted in the Picture thread, but I figured I'd repost them here; some new images:
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TaradosGon
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6/4 2:38pm
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darth_nemisis posted:
I don't know. Not to sound sadistic or anything, but I think it'd be better to have her die out by some Separatist attack or something. It would further his hatred for them and want him to end the war sooner, as well as wanting to destroy the leaders of the Separatists.
These were already posted in the Picture thread, but I figured I'd repost them here; some new images:
If Lucas was developing the Star Wars story in chronological order, then I'd agree that having her die would be a powerful influence on having Anakin hate the Separatists. But the story wasn't produced in chronological order; if she were to die in the Clone Wars, then she'd be dead by the time frame of ROTS, and in that film Anakin doesn't show any particular fury toward the Separatists. Granted, he hates Dooku and he wants the war to be over with, but his behavior in ROTS would be out of place if he had lost his one and only apprentice.
If the Jedi Council decides that Anakin is a bad influence on Ashoka and separates the too, then Anakin might be frustrated with the council for "holding him back." While, if Ashoka dies, one would think it would be an eye opener that he wasn't ready to have an apprentice or that he failed her, which obviously isn't how he's feeling during ROTS; at that time he thinks he deserves the rank of master and thinks he deserves more authority within the Jedi Order.
Lucas has to work (if he wants to tell a coherent story) within the bounds of the pieces of the Star Wars saga that are already in place. To have Ashoka die during the Clone Wars would leave me scratching my head while watching ROTS, because Anakin doesn't seem all that upset by it.
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darth_nemisis
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Truly valid points. Touché. 
Here is a point of discussion I think. According to the Wookieepedia article, it states that GL said she was 11 at the start of the series, yet the databank says she was 14 when she became Anakin's Padawan. First of all, I didn't know she was so young, but that makes sense I guess. But, which one is the official story? If they are both correct, then Ahsoka is 11 at the beginning of the series but didn't become his padawan until the end of the war. That doesn't make any sense... 
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TaradosGon
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I would be inclined to take GL's word over the databanks'. Unless one number serves as a correction for the other; i.e. if originally she was meant to be 11 and her age was changed to 14, or vice versa.
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GS335
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I don't think people are looking at the bigger picture, here.
With the new CGI tv show, Lucas has a chance to do something he didn't have much of a chance to do in AOTC and RotS, which is: to show Anakin as a hero, before he becomes darth vader. Fans have whined about Lucas not showing Anakin more in a heroic light. So, this is Lucas' chance. GL did say that he wanted to show Anakin more as a hero in this series, which is one of the reasons why he has a Padawan Learner, now.
With this show, we are seeing what Obi Wan meant in RotJ, when he said that Anakin was a good man, because he was. Him having Ahsoka as Anakin's Apprentice is apart of that.
This isn't the whiny kid we saw in AoTC, or the confused young man we saw in RoTs. This is Anakin as a good guy, folks. It makes his fall to the darkside in Rots that much more painful. It makes us feel Obi Wan's pain even more, when he watches his good friend throw away his life and fall to the darkside.
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You know, I never realized it like that. I remember reading in the RotS novel by Matthew Stover that Anakin and Obi-Wan were the duo, the heroes of the Republic basically. It said how kids would pretend to be Obi-Wan and Anakin. I always thought that was amazing, kind of like a real world situation with real world celebrities almost. Now, we get to see it.
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Berkyjay
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GS335 posted:
I don't think people are looking at the bigger picture, here.
With the new CGI tv show, Lucas has a chance to do something he didn't have much of a chance to do in AOTC and RotS, which is: to show Anakin as a hero, before he becomes darth vader. Fans have whined about Lucas not showing Anakin more in a heroic light. So, this is Lucas' chance. GL did say that he wanted to show Anakin more as a hero in this series, which is one of the reasons why he has a Padawan Learner, now.
With this show, we are seeing what Obi Wan meant in RotJ, when he said that Anakin was a good man, because he was. Him having Ahsoka as Anakin's Apprentice is apart of that.
This isn't the whiny kid we saw in AoTC, or the confused young man we saw in RoTs. This is Anakin as a good guy, folks. It makes his fall to the darkside in Rots that much more painful. It makes us feel Obi Wan's pain even more, when he watches his good friend throw away his life and fall to the darkside.
Bravo, very well said.
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TaradosGon
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GS335 posted:
I don't think people are looking at the bigger picture, here.
With the new CGI tv show, Lucas has a chance to do something he didn't have much of a chance to do in AOTC and RotS, which is: to show Anakin as a hero, before he becomes darth vader. Fans have whined about Lucas not showing Anakin more in a heroic light. So, this is Lucas' chance. GL did say that he wanted to show Anakin more as a hero in this series, which is one of the reasons why he has a Padawan Learner, now.
With this show, we are seeing what Obi Wan meant in RotJ, when he said that Anakin was a good man, because he was. Him having Ahsoka as Anakin's Apprentice is apart of that.
This isn't the whiny kid we saw in AoTC, or the confused young man we saw in RoTs. This is Anakin as a good guy, folks. It makes his fall to the darkside in Rots that much more painful. It makes us feel Obi Wan's pain even more, when he watches his good friend throw away his life and fall to the darkside.
While I don't have fault with anything that you said, I'm not quite sure what was said in this thread that implied people weren't seeing "the big picture."
While the decision on Lucas' part to give Anakin a padawan may have stemmed from a desire to make Anakin seem more heroic, I think one of three things will happen to her:
-she dies, indicating that Anakin perhaps failed her as her master.
-she gets reassigned, indicating that the council sees Anakin as being too much of a bad influence on her.
-Anakin completes her training, but is still denied the rank of master do to Anakin's own impatience; this would be a slap in the face to Anakin. Ahsoka will have achieved the rank of Jedi Knight at an even younger age than the "Chosen One" which might make Anakin a little jealous, or alternatively very prideful, which the Council might see.
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