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The *Official* Ahsoka in The Clone Wars thread (general discussion)
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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6/5 7:37pm
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RE: Ahsoka: What will her importance be in The Clone Wars?
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I don't think the third option is very plausible. She's like 12, and there only together for a short time. She's not becomming a Jedi knight anytime soon.
What I want to know was who was her original Master? She has to have had one already right?
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darth_nemisis
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6/5 7:45pm
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GS335 posted:
-Anakin completes her training, but is still denied the rank of master do to Anakin's own impatience; this would be a slap in the face to Anakin. Ahsoka will have achieved the rank of Jedi Knight at an even younger age than the "Chosen One" which might make Anakin a little jealous, or alternatively very prideful, which the Council might see.
I don't know. It seemed like a good idea, until I remembered how young she is. Like Sublime said, I don't see that happening to someone so young.
The more I think about it, the second option does seem the plausible. Maybe it's the darker person in me, but I would like to see her get killed, angering Anakin.
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DarthIntegral
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6/5 7:48pm
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I get the feeling she'll die, in a situation where Anakin feels he could have saved her. Maybe not a direct blade-to-blade death vs. a Dooku or a Ventress or a Grievous, but perhaps during battle they get separated, and something tragic and fatal happens to her and her troops, or perhaps she's shot down during a dog fight, or something else along those lines.
Nothing that would scar Anakin too greatly and tug at his inner anger too much, but enough that he's pushed further to not let Padme become yet another that he wasn't strong enough to save.
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TaradosGon
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Date Posted:
6/6 4:30am
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RE: Ahsoka: What will her importance be in The Clone Wars?
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
I don't think the third option is very plausible. She's like 12, and there only together for a short time. She's not becomming a Jedi knight anytime soon.
What I want to know was who was her original Master? She has to have had one already right?
Anakin becomes a Jedi knight at the age of 19 or 20. depending on what age Ahsoka is supposed to be (GL says 11 and the databank says 14), she could be 17 by the end of the series. Also, I believe the databank says she was discovered by Plo Koon, so perhaps he started her training?
It also says that she graduated to padawan at an early age out of necessity for the Clone Wars, so she might be a little ahead.
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darth_nemisis
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6/6 7:56am
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TaradosGon posted:
Anakin becomes a Jedi knight at the age of 19 or 20. depending on what age Ahsoka is supposed to be (GL says 11 and the databank says 14)
So...if anything that should be an argument against Ahsoka becoming a Jedi Knight. Anakin was early because he's Anakin Skywalker. His potential is far greater than what Ahsoka's will be. Besides, most padawans, including Anakin and Obi-Wan, spend more than a decade with their master. Three year (or just over that) for Ahsoka? I don't see that being plausible.
And it says on Wookieepedia: "She became a Padawan earlier than normal by Master Yoda in hopes that it would teach Anakin Skywalker a greater sense of responsibility." So, if she had a master before Anakin, is that saying that Yoda was her master at first?
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TaradosGon
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6/6 9:10am
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RE: Ahsoka: What will her importance be in The Clone Wars?
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You're right that Anakin become a Knight quicker than usual, because "he was the Chosen One," but Ahsoka could also advance through quicker than normal because she was the student of the Chosen One.
I don't know who her prior master was. At the end of TPM it appeared as though Anakin (being 9 years old) was going to be taken as a padawan directly by Obi-Wan, bypassing the training that the younglings do under Yoda. Perhaps Ahsoka stayed a youngling longer than usual do to a lack of Knights available for proper training. At which point I'd admit that this theory wouldn't really work. Or perhaps Plo Koon or Yoda instructed her for four or five years prior to her being handed to Anakin.
If she is fourteen at the beginning of the series and hypothetically completes her training by the end, she'd be seventeen years old, ascending to knighthood faster than Anakin due to the pressures of the clones wars and because the Chosen One was her master.
If she is only eleven years old, it would make her fourteen by the end, at which point I'd agree that she's too young to be given the rank of Knight.
I don't advocate this theory anymore than the possibility that she gets reassigned; I actually like the idea of getting reassigned more, as perhaps Anakin is too irresponsible with her in giving her a lot of freedom and having her accompany him on dangerous missions. If they built up a strong relationship over the course of the series, only to be separated by the Council at the very end, I think the emotional impact would be strong; like a parent losing custody of a child.
Though I think it's still a possibility.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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Date Posted:
6/6 12:59pm
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TaradosGon posted:
It also says that she graduated to padawan at an early age out of necessity for the Clone Wars, so she might be a little ahead.
If she was graduated to padawan early for the Clone Wars it only means because they needed more and more Jedi on the field and representing the Republic. Just like in the CW episode where Anakin is knighted, their discussing whether he's ready or not and they pretty much say the need for actual Jedi Knights is dire.
Also keep in mind, judging by Anakins and Obi Wans hair this is a little further into the Clone Wars. Not at the very start. So is Lucas claims she's 11 during the show, she could make it to about 12 or 13. Thats still way too young to be a Jedi Knight. Anakin would be po'd seeing as he's the chosen one and he still had to train for about 12 years before becomming a knight.
I'm pretty sure Ahsoka is going to die, theres really no other way around it. Like DarthIntegral said, not necessarily a lightsaber duel death, but maybe Anakin believes she's a good enough pilot to have her in her own starfighter. While He's off picking off droids she gets shot down. It makes him feel as if he failed as a Jedi and a pilot.
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The Jedi Council giving Anakin a Padawan to teach him about letting go, as the Hyperspace interview states, is probably the most intelligent thing we've seem them do in regards to Anakin yet. This animated council is displaying more wisdom than the one in the actual prequel trilogy. Of course it will backfire when she dies and Anakin goes absolutely ape-**** once again. Can't wait to see it happen.
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TaradosGon
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Date Posted:
6/6 2:03pm
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RE: Ahsoka: What will her importance be in The Clone Wars?
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
I'm pretty sure Ahsoka is going to die, theres really no other way around it. Like DarthIntegral said, not necessarily a lightsaber duel death, but maybe Anakin believes she's a good enough pilot to have her in her own starfighter. While He's off picking off droids she gets shot down. It makes him feel as if he failed as a Jedi and a pilot.
Which isn't really consistent with what we see in ROTS, IMO. In ROTS he wants to be a master, he feels he deserves it, and he's frustrated with the council as he sees them as holding him back. If he feels like a failure why would he demand more authority within the Jedi Order?
-If she gets reassigned, then Anakin could take that as the Jedi Council not giving him a chance to prove himself.
-If she completes her training at the age of 17 (ASSUMING the age the databank gives is the one that's going to be mentioned in the series) and Anakin still isn't recognized as a master, then it would be a slap in a face and a further source of "frustration with the council."
On the other hand
-If she dies, and Anakin feels like a failure... well that's just not the type of Anakin we see in ROTS.
Or it could be a combination: the council splits the two up, Ahsoka is sent on her own mission against Anakin's wishes and doesn't come back, and the Council advises Anakin to "train himself to let go of everything he's afraid to lose." At which point Anakin would feel as though he had greater wisdom than the council. IF Ahsoka dies, the only plausible way in which it could happen, and still be consistent with Anakin's attitude in ROTS, is if Anakin isn't responsible for it and was not there when it happened.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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Well if you see the newest video thats been posted on this forum, It somewhat is foreshadowing her dieing. She's being blasted, hanging on, and Anakin's watching from afar. Obviously this wouldn't be her death scene, but it could be foreshadowing it.
I agree with your reasoning, I just don't think it's possible she's going to complete her training. The council made a big enough deal of Anakin being knighted at like 21/22 and he's the chosen one. If she was knighted at 17, I think Anakin would be more po'd then ever.
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darth_nemisis
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I wouldn't quite say that she was going to die. The way I took it was that Anakin was heading over to help her out. I wasn't even paying attention to how much longer the video was when that was occurring, and I thought it was going to show Anakin save her, like I said. Then it ended.  I was mad.
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Vortigern99
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6/8 11:17am
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So Ashoka definitely calls Anakin "Master" in the new 2-minute clip. Doesn't this rather glaringly contradict Anakin's being denied this rank in ROTS, and thus the Duel dialogue in 'ANH'? 
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DarthTerrious
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I wouldnt say so. Its a deferral of respect.
I think you're confusing the Master-Padawan thing with actually being designated the rank of Jedi Master.
Besides [obviousspoiler]He doesn't train her to Knighthood, when she becomes a victim of the General
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 I didn't know that Asoka becomes a victim of the General
Where did you hear that?
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TaradosGon
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6/8 2:55pm
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That's HIGHLY unlikely. That would be a wound the villains would stick their fingers in, in ROTS if it were true.
I have too much faith in Lucas and the creators of the show to make such a drastic error in judgement.
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