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Jango_Fettish
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Imagine if those people you had mentioned effectively became Hitler. I would imagine that those statues wouldn't have been up long.
Yeah, but the public never knew that Anakin was Vader.
Either way, it isn't a big deal. This is SW for crying out loud, theres plenty of stuff that doesn't make any sense - like loud explosions in space!
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WookieeWarrior9
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Jango_Fettish posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Imagine if those people you had mentioned effectively became Hitler. I would imagine that those statues wouldn't have been up long.
Yeah, but the public never knew that Anakin was Vader.
Either way, it isn't a big deal. This is SW for crying out loud, theres plenty of stuff that doesn't make any sense - like loud explosions in space!
Well I certainly agree. That's why I think most of the EU doesn't work. It tries to give reason and explain things that are rather silly.
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maderic
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Who's to say that Anakin won't mess up and she just gets reassigned to another Jedi? You don't have to kill characters off to get rid of them.
It wouldn't make any sense. To assume I actually support Ahsoka and Anakin having an apprentice, something I loathe, I would say the same: she'd HAVE to die. There's no way around it in order for it not to be stupid/pointless/large retcon.
But they won't ice her because she's a little kid and this is a show for kids. That's far too dark to pull off.
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WookieeWarrior9
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maderic posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Who's to say that Anakin won't mess up and she just gets reassigned to another Jedi? You don't have to kill characters off to get rid of them.
It wouldn't make any sense. To assume I actually support Ahsoka and Anakin having an apprentice, something I loathe, I would say the same: she'd HAVE to die. There's no way around it in order for it not to be stupid/pointless/large retcon.
But they won't ice her because she's a little kid and this is a show for kids. That's far too dark to pull off.
Well I usually assume that everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1983, so no, I didn't assume you approved.
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I got Rickrolled by one of the trailer links.
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WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Well I usually assume that everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1983, so no, I didn't assume you approved.
Where you been hiding? Everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1980! I was young, but i was around for the fanboy reaction to the Ewoks. :P
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Cid posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Well I usually assume that everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1983, so no, I didn't assume you approved.
Where you been hiding? Everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1980! I was young, but i was around for the fanboy reaction to the Ewoks. :P
You probably missed all the negative reaction to Empire then, and how dumb it was to have Vader be the father and make the series all serious. People actually hate all decisions GL has made since 1977! 
As for Ashoka--I don't know, I wouldn't entirely rule out killing her off near the end. Even though its a kids show its still a sort of "mature" kids show in that it involves military campaigns and wars and gangsters and stuff like that, its sort of that 10-14 year old range that shows like Dragonball Z catered to and they often get away with stuff like that, as long as its not shown in too traumatic a way.
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VladTheImpaler
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I think GL even highlighted that in a recent interview; Star Wars is PG, but it's a "hard" PG; occassionally veering into PG-13 territory, but not being too graphic. There aren't a whole lot of movies that appeal specifically to that kind of age group.
I think they could definitely get away with killing Ashoka.(Or whatever her name is.) Doesn't mean they WILL, but they definitely could.
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You're right on, Vlad, Lucas says that in this article.
Lucas:
"It’s basically a dramatic series, there’s a lot of action, a bit of humor. It runs along at the same level. It’s unusual for an animated film, because it’s not really hardcore like say “Beowulf” and it’s not a Pixar movie, so it kind of falls in between in this funny world where “Star Wars” is, which is kind of hard-edged but not really, sort of on the verge of PG-13, flips over once in a while, but sort of the high end of PG."
ObiWan506 posted:
I got Rickrolled by one of the trailer links.
I noticed that previously. Brilliant! 
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zombie posted:
Cid posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Well I usually assume that everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1983, so no, I didn't assume you approved.
Where you been hiding? Everyone hates all decisions GL has made since 1980! I was young, but i was around for the fanboy reaction to the Ewoks. :P
You probably missed all the negative reaction to Empire then, and how dumb it was to have Vader be the father and make the series all serious. People actually hate all decisions GL has made since 1977!
As for Ashoka--I don't know, I wouldn't entirely rule out killing her off near the end. Even though its a kids show its still a sort of "mature" kids show in that it involves military campaigns and wars and gangsters and stuff like that, its sort of that 10-14 year old range that shows like Dragonball Z catered to and they often get away with stuff like that, as long as its not shown in too traumatic a way.
Well, I wasn't born until '88, so you've got to cut me some slack. I have read how many critics didn't like Empire at the time because it was more of a drama than adventure. Just goes to show you that critics don't know what they're talking about.
I just wish everyone would give the idea of Anakin having a padawan a fair chance. Sure they don't mention it in the movies, but they also don't say that he didn't have one either. Of course, it's possible that someone got hold of the "Jump To Conclusions mat" from Office Space.
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VladTheImpaler
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Moot!
The thing is, the "iffy" things on their own might not be so bad. For instance, if Anakin with a padawan was the only questionable story element of the new series, I think I would be able to suspend my disbelief more easily. But add to it the fact that we're going to Tatooine again, possible plot holes with Anakin returning, Jabba the Hutt having a son...and I start to get worried. This series could be a disaster.
Plus there's the fact that the soldiers are just "products" designed for combat(clones vs. soldiers) instead of actual characters, and we pretty much know which jedi survive until Episode III. Can the show really create any dramatic tension under these circumstances?
...and yet, that trailer still has me excited. I hope these writers know what they're doing!
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Whilst it may not be 'dramatic' but there will be tension the same way there was throughout the whole prequel trilogy. It showed us how things came to be the way they were in ANH and this will start out after AOTC and take us to ROTS. By the way having heard from GL that it "flips over" PG-13 sometimes, I'll gladly take the Jabba's son thing.
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Jango_Fettish posted:
WookieeWarrior9 posted:
Imagine if those people you had mentioned effectively became Hitler. I would imagine that those statues wouldn't have been up long.
Yeah, but the public never knew that Anakin was Vader.
Either way, it isn't a big deal. This is SW for crying out loud, theres plenty of stuff that doesn't make any sense - like loud explosions in space!
I agree with you that there's plenty that doesn't make sense. But part of the fun of the inconsistencies of Star Wars (and other fandoms, like Transformers, Star Trek, etc) is coming up with plausible explanations for these inconsistencies. Sometimes I wonder if GL does it on purpose just to keep us thinking.
Anyways, here's my theory on the whole "Forgotten Hero With No Fear" problem. Yes, Anakin was the poster boy for the Clone Wars and most people knew about him. There's two good reasons why I think Luke would never have heard about his father fighting in the Clone Wars though. First, Tatoonie is a very backwater planet. As someone else mentioned, all they're really concerned with is surviving. They con't care about celebrities. I'm sure if you go to Mudlick, Kentucky and ask a farmer there what he thinks of Brad Pitt or George Clooney, most of the time they won't have any clue what you're talking about. Another factor is the resentment small-town people can feel against someone who "makes it big." I've been to a few small towns that spawned a big celebrity and the general feeling isn't one of pride. It's one of jealousy, that this celebrity was able to go out and achieve more than what the people left behind did.
Secondly, I would think Palpatine would do a little bit of history-revision after Order 66. The Jedi would be painted as traitors, so at worst, people would be encouraged to hate them. At best, they would simple not care. Think about some recent celebrities that did something bad, and how quickly their celebrity status faded. Mark McGuire, after his steroid scandal, was quickly just a footnote. Chris Benoit, who was hailed by many wrestling fans as the greatest wrestler that ever lived, is being erased from history for murdering his family. I would think that Anakin, Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi would no longer be thought of as war heroes after 20 years of the Empire's propoganda. I always believed this is why Jabba laughs at Luke when he declares himself a Jedi. By that time, it wasn't exactly something to be feared anymore. Plus in A New Hope Han calls the Force "Simple tricks and nonsense." Maybe it was just the vast public opinion that the Jedi were nothing special, and that the people were misled in the first place about how important the Jedi ever were.
Phew, how's that for a first post!
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VladTheImpaler
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Criix posted:
I would think that Anakin, Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi would no longer be thought of as war heroes after 20 years of the Empire's propoganda. I always believed this is why Jabba laughs at Luke when he declares himself a Jedi. By that time, it wasn't exactly something to be feared anymore. Plus in A New Hope Han calls the Force "Simple tricks and nonsense." Maybe it was just the vast public opinion that the Jedi were nothing special, and that the people were misled in the first place about how important the Jedi ever were.
Phew, how's that for a first post!
Good to have you here!
Good call about the public opinion about the Jedi. Despite all of the jedi action we see in the movies, I would have to assume that the average Joe in the Star Wars galaxy has never seen a Jedi Knight in action first-hand. In TPM, the public perception is that of awe. "I've heard the space pilots talk about them...nobody can kill a jedi!"
By the time ANH rolls around, as you said, the jedi are just a joke.
Since most people don't deal with jedi on a regular basis, a little anti-jedi propoganda from Palpatine would probably go a long way as far as affecting public perception.
So with the jedi being marginalized, I guess I can buy that nobody on Tatooine has heard of or cares about Anakin Skywalker.
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WookieeWarrior9
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VladTheImpaler posted:
But add to it the fact that we're going to Tatooine again, possible plot holes with Anakin returning, Jabba the Hutt having a son...and I start to get worried.
What's so bad about going to Tatooine? When Anakin went there in Ep II, he wasn't supposed to be there to begin with. If Yoda tells him to go, I don't think he's going to say "Well, I don't know, the place brings up a lot of bad memories about my mother and murdering dozens of sandpeople". From the movies we know that Palpatine knows of the the Tusken raiders, but it's likely IMO that he didn't tell the council (yeah, Yoda heard Qui Gon yell that time, but they might not know for sure).
And as far as Jabba's son goes, well, what else did you think he would be doing with the lady hutt from Episode I? lol
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