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Darth_Garak posted:
One things keep nagging about this thing (aside from the padawan thing). Anakin is shown with the scar (which we know he got in DoR) which woujld suggest the story takes place after DoR BUT the clones we see here are in Phase I armour while those in DoR were in Phase II armor.
I was actually quite suprised Anakin had his scar in CW at all. George loves to show the fans how certain things happened, and although it was covered in the comics and books, I wouldn't have been suprised if we saw him get it on screen.
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Jeff_Fett
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Sorry what is DoR, and where is it in the CW time line?
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Tyi-Maet_Nefer
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I believe Garak was referring to a particular episode in the original Tartakovsky CW series. Anakin receives the scar above his eye in one of the earlier episodes in the second season of those cartoons. But I'm not actually sure what "DoR" is, exactly. I had assumed it was an episode name, but I don't think they were actually given individual names now that I think about it. (?)
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Jango_Fettish
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Tyi-Maet_Nefer posted:
I believe Garak was referring to a particular episode in the original Tartakovsky CW series. Anakin receives the scar above his eye in one of the earlier episodes in the second season of those cartoons. But I'm not actually sure what "DoR" is, exactly. I had assumed it was an episode name, but I don't think they were actually given individual names now that I think about it. (?)
He was referring to Republic #71 - The Dreadnaughts of Rendili, the comic in which Anakin gets his scar from Ventress.
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The2ndQuest
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The moment in question:
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OnlyaClone
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This series will be night and day when compared to Gennedy. George already said somewhere that the 2D thing was "a test subject" or a practice run or something. The whole thing was probably really about selling the Cartoon Network toys or getting kids to watch cartoon network. And I think that's okay, even though it felt like a toy commercial. It was all action and very little substance, just like Samurai Jack, which I liked for what it was.
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Here's the primary reason why I think anything that happened in the 2D series is simply not worth the time and importance the continuity buffs are putting on it.
George had nothing to do with it at creation.
George Lucas created Star Wars and he's doing it the way it should be done... NOW. Gennedy says somewhere he made Star Wars 2.3 or something, but how is that possible without George Lucas' involvement? Saying the Genndy thing counts it like saying, well... really good fan fiction should count too. Even though it was on tv and it got all sorts of awards, who cares... George Lucas didn't create it. That means it doesn't count in the George Lucas canon, so it is the expanded universe.
The new Clone Wars CG series is true Star Wars because George Lucas is creating it.... not just approving it after the fact.
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AhsokaMiro
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OnlyaClone posted:
The new Clone Wars CG series is true Star Wars because George Lucas is creating it.... not just approving it after the fact.
To me there's something about the feel of it... I mean, you can't really measure Lucas's involvement, but the CG series is created by Lucasfilm, and the GT series wasn't. Nothing against the GT shows-- I haven't seen many of them-- but this new show seems to have more heft to it. A feature-length narrative was beyond the scope of the 2-D show.
Weren't there continuity clashes between the GT show and some EU novels anyhow?
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The2ndQuest
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Mostly only in terms of overlapping events adapting the same moments.
Lucas provided the backstory to ROTS to the EU authors and GT, that outline was then used to write the Labyrinth of Evil novel (which is pretty good, BTW- does an excellent job of bringing the PT together and even making TPM feel relevant to the other two movies, though the resolution to the hunt for Sidious set up in it kinda has a weak payoff in ROTS).
While the novel was still in development, GT got the go-ahead to make Volume 2 of Clone Wars, and was given access to the same outline. And though there was a degree of collaboration done between the two projects, due to the production timeframes involved with each medium, some discrepancies & changes occured between the two, or, in the case of, say, the scene in Palpatine's office, the cartoon was adapting the "true" events of LOE into a more simplistic manner consistent with the style of the cartoon (so, for example, the various aides and other politicians present with Palpatine, as well as another Jedi or two, were not present in the cartoon's version of events). You also had Lucas providing input on LOE's story (via Luceno's collaboration with Stover via the ROTS novelization), which further changed things.
These differences couldn't be fixed since the deadline of ROTS's release limited their options. But it's not that major and, IMO, is often blown out of proportion- it's not much different than other mediums taking liberties with an original source (for example, the tall Noghri in the comics adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy) for the purposes of adaptation. The only added confusion here is each medium contributing original content/scenes/sequences in between the moments of adapted overlap.
So, technically, Lucas was involved with it at creation, just not as directly as he's been involved with CW3D (though, as I udnerstand it, he wasn't really involved with CW3D at it's creation,e ither- he came in after the fact).
I do think it's a bit misleading to say Lucas is "creating" CW3D too- he's not planning, writing or directing the series. It seems like he's more of a creative & editorial consultant, with a dash of executive producer approval thrown in for flavor  . Which I think is greta actually- I think it plays to Lucas's strengths tremendously. I think it'll result in some quality stuff.
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Berkyjay
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OnlyaClone posted:
This series will be night and day when compared to Gennedy. George already said somewhere that the 2D thing was "a test subject" or a practice run or something. The whole thing was probably really about selling the Cartoon Network toys or getting kids to watch cartoon network. And I think that's okay, even though it felt like a toy commercial. It was all action and very little substance, just like Samurai Jack, which I liked for what it was.
Candy. Not a meal.
Here's the primary reason why I think anything that happened in the 2D series is simply not worth the time and importance the continuity buffs are putting on it.
George had nothing to do with it at creation.
George Lucas created Star Wars and he's doing it the way it should be done... NOW. Gennedy says somewhere he made Star Wars 2.3 or something, but how is that possible without George Lucas' involvement? Saying the Genndy thing counts it like saying, well... really good fan fiction should count too. Even though it was on tv and it got all sorts of awards, who cares... George Lucas didn't create it. That means it doesn't count in the George Lucas canon, so it is the expanded universe.
The new Clone Wars CG series is true Star Wars because George Lucas is creating it.... not just approving it after the fact.
100% agree with you on that one, thank you.
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Bengarl
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The2ndQuest posted:
Mostly only in terms of overlapping events adapting the same moments.
Lucas provided the backstory to ROTS to the EU authors and GT, that outline was then used to write the Labyrinth of Evil novel (which is pretty good, BTW- does an excellent job of bringing the PT together and even making TPM feel relevant to the other two movies, though the resolution to the hunt for Sidious set up in it kinda has a weak payoff in ROTS).
While the novel was still in development, GT got the go-ahead to make Volume 2 of Clone Wars, and was given access to the same outline. And though there was a degree of collaboration done between the two projects, due to the production timeframes involved with each medium, some discrepancies & changes occured between the two, or, in the case of, say, the scene in Palpatine's office, the cartoon was adapting the "true" events of LOE into a more simplistic manner consistent with the style of the cartoon (so, for example, the various aides and other politicians present with Palpatine, as well as another Jedi or two, were not present in the cartoon's version of events). You also had Lucas providing input on LOE's story (via Luceno's collaboration with Stover via the ROTS novelization), which further changed things...
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So then, which one would be the "true" or valid version? Or would they all be considered valid interpretations of the Clone Wars with different twists? It reminds me of how the Neon Genesis Evangelion Series and Manga differ from each other. It was stated that by either Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, or Hideaki Anno, that both versions were valid, just different interpretations. I'm guessing it's similar here. Personaly I liked leading up of LoE rather than the GT version. Especially the scenario presented in LoE where Anakin and Obiwan were called away to go after Dooku. I honestly didn't like the version told via the GT version, it just seemed really cheesy to me. There were aspects that I liked, but just wasn't favorable to me. I do hope this new CG Clone Wars gives a better interpretation, the visuals are stunning!
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Welcome Bengarl! Glad to see you posting and I hope you stick around! 
As to your question, I would assume they are both valid. I don't see them completely scrapping what happened, but perhaps some thing. I do think they may do a different take on certain scenes, like the abduction of Palpatine or something.
Hope that answers your question.
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Note that the movies begin with:
"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away"
IMO, these films (and supplemental EU stories) are not being viewed as they happened. It is a retelling of what happened a long time ago. Thus, if there is a conflict as minor as that between who was present or absent during Palpatine's kidnapping, one could easily rule it off as being two different versions of the same story, with details differing based on who's telling the story and their "recollection" of events.
Now, as far as I know that's not an official stance of how the EU is to be interpreted or anything; it's just the way I like to view things. I for one never read LoE, and I probably never will. And I'd hate to think that Palpatine's kidnapping in GT's telling of "Clone Wars" is the "simplified" version of "true" events. It worked well enough for me on its own, so unless contradicted by the new series, "The Clone Wars" I'll take it over LoE, as my understanding of what had happened.
*Though, if there is a contradiction between Lucas' work and that of the EU, Lucas wins every time.
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Bengarl posted:
So then, which one would be the "true" or valid version? Or would they all be considered valid interpretations of the Clone Wars with different twists?
It's essentially "both". Events from both LOE & CWGT happened- where there's overlap, it's a little more blurred, but I think you'll find most people will go with the LOE rendition, being more detailed and "grounded" in the same reality as the SW films and the rest of the EU (as opposed to the more exaggerated stylization of the CWGT series).
Also, in most cases, the original work (in this case, LOE) generally takes precdence over an adapted work. Ffor example: the tall portrayals of the Noghri in the TTT comics, versus the "actual" short Noghri in TTT novels. The comic adaptation tried to make them more physically imposing to better suit their medium. Likewise CWGT couldn't include the extra Jedi, guards and political aides around Palpatine because they had to better suit the animation medium and, in particular, the more simplistic style of that particular series. They didn't have the runtime to show Grievous taking down more Jedi & guards, and they had no reason to waste some of their budget on animating political aides who play no part in the chase sequence when that extra budget could be applied to either the chase itself or the larger scale battles and main characters.
However, that's not to say LOE cancels CWGT out, either- unique events that occur in CWGT but not LOE still happened between the lines, pages & chapters of LOE, there's just 2 or 3 overlapping moments where the LOE version probably takes precedence. But, there's always exceptions and that's by no means something locked in stone- and, as with all things, it's up the individual to decide which one they prefer more.
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