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Lizardmonkey
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May '02
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5/1 2:37am
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Lucasfilm nixing Genndy's 'Clone Wars' from cycle?
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The lamentable exclusion of Genndy Tartakovsky from the production of the 3-D 'Clone Wars' may well have been discussed elsewhere. I know this is Lucas's baby, but it seems they've treated Genndy like a hack-for-hire, taken his best ideas and designs and poo-poohed some (At SW Celebration: Europe Sansweet and a panel of 3D 'Clone Wars'producers scoffed at Mace Windu's force-whooping of all those Super Batlle Droids in the CN toon.) then locked Genndy out of the toy-room.
Lucas seems to be nixing Genndy's contribution completely. I have some love and respect for Lucas, so don't wish to have my theory proved, but it is what I see going on. Perhaps some of the corporate interests at Lucasfilm - I'm looking at you Mr. Sansweet - could be riding roughshod over the collaborative creative elements in the animated arena so that Lucxasfilm has complete ownership of characters and likenesses in a way that could never be truly complete with actors. Lucasfilm taking SW distribution from Fox and handing it to WB shows which production house is in charge - but does this replace an old Hollywood system with a new one?
In short, Lucasfilm are going a whole Disney route that may not be in fan's best interests. I await the first lawsuit against the next proficient fan-film for example.
This could be a paranoid rant, sorry it's overlong, but it is a warning. Maybe the Skywalker Ranch is seeing the rise of its own empire. Root out Darth Sansweet before it is too late.
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VladTheImpaler
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5/1 9:01am
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I'm genuinely confused. So Genndy isn't working on the new show...and that leads into Lucasfilm suing fan-films?
There were some positives in Genndy's Clone Wars cartoons, but can you really blame anybody for scoffing at Mace's "force whooping"? That was ridiculous. If he can do that, what is stopping him from doing it every time he's confronted by bad guys? Why didn't he do that in the arena on Geonosis? He could have killed everybody including Dooku and prevented the war from breaking out. Why didn't he do it when fighting Palpatine?
But since we're on the subject, whatever happened to Genndy anyway? Way back in the day, I could have sworn he had signed some kind of contract with Lucasfilm's animation division. I haven't heard a word about him since. Does anybody have the real scoop?
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zombie
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5/1 9:18am
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Tartakovsky's was just a stylistic experiment; it stands on its own. Why the need to include him further? The new series is not done in the style of the old show. I don't think its anything personal, Tartakovsky got to play in the sandbox with that series and now a new creative crew will get to play in the sandbox with this series. I'll agree Tartakovsky's was fantastic, but I don't see what it has to do with the 3D CW since its another interpretation, they are just sticking--vaguely--to some of the design stylisation he used.
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Berkyjay
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5/1 1:49pm
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VladTheImpaler posted:
I'm genuinely confused. So Genndy isn't working on the new show...and that leads into Lucasfilm suing fan-films?
There were some positives in Genndy's Clone Wars cartoons, but can you really blame anybody for scoffing at Mace's "force whooping"? That was ridiculous. If he can do that, what is stopping him from doing it every time he's confronted by bad guys? Why didn't he do that in the arena on Geonosis? He could have killed everybody including Dooku and prevented the war from breaking out. Why didn't he do it when fighting Palpatine?
But since we're on the subject, whatever happened to Genndy anyway? Way back in the day, I could have sworn he had signed some kind of contract with Lucasfilm's animation division. I haven't heard a word about him since. Does anybody have the real scoop?
Taken from his wiki page:
Orphanage Animation Studios
Recently, Tartakovsky has been made creative president of The Orphanage's Orphanage Animation Studios, an animation studio fabricated of Lucasfilm veterans. The company hopes to one day rival animation giant Pixar, and believes that Tartakovsky can get them there. Their first feature will be the sequel to the 1982 classic The Dark Crystal. It will be directed by Tartakovsky, is titled Power of the Dark Crystal, and set to be released in 2009.[5]
[edit] Future projects
He has also been pitching a cartoon series of Stephen King's The Dark Tower to HBO. It is unknown how the recent Dark Tower comics will affect the possibility of this projected series becoming a reality – whether the foray into an illustrated medium will pave the way for Genndy's animation, or if it will prove to be enough for King and the Grant publishing company.
Genndy recently helped create and directed animation on the pilot episode of Korgoth of Barbaria. The series was set for a complete first season on Adult Swim, scheduled to air in spring of 2007, but it has been delayed. It is unconfirmed if the series will continue or if Genndy will be involved if it does.
A Samurai Jack feature film will be produced by newly formed production company Frederator Films, and will be written and directed by Tartakovsky.[6]
In reference to the Orphanage Studios info, latest word on that is that they were downsizing the studio as a whole and I believe that their animation studio pretty much failed.
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The2ndQuest
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Clone Wars GT is not being "nixed". Even when they debuted, LFL has explained that they were an exaggeration of certain events (such as the Mace/Geonosis arena paradox if he was capable of downing so many droids in such an over-the-top manner).
In fact, the Databank even implies that they (or at least the Mace chapter) are underground animated pirate transmissions on the holonet during the Rebellion era by an adult Paxi Sylo (the starstruck kid bookending the Mace episodes).
Subsequently, we know Volume 2 adapted certain moments from Labyrinth of Evil, but had to simplify them (removing secondary characters, etc) to acocmodate the medium, etc.
But the events of Clone Wars GT's story, so far as I can tell, is still being referenced by Clone Wars 3D- we're seeing Asajj, Torrent starfighters, etc. Dave has specifically pointed out that CW3D's character designs are meant to bridge the look of characters in CWGT Vol 1 to their look in ROTS (such as Obi-Wan slowly de-armoring to his robes-only ROTS state, from his near-full-trooper-armor of CWGT).
The only difference is the style & tone of CW3D is more in-line with the reality presented in the films and EU, as opposed to the hyper-reality of CWGT.
So, don't worry- CWGT isn't going anywhere.
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Xiam
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5/2 10:27pm
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In keeping with The2ndQuest's statements... I always figured Star Wars, being based upon mythology, was subject to alternate tellings of similar stories, much like how the origins of certain Greek Gods are often different depending on who you ask.
And seeing as how they seem to be using SW:CW as a launching point (a pilot, if you will) to SW:TCW rather than as a "Take One," yeah, it's not completely taken out of the continuity.
But you still have to remember that elements of the story ARE wholly dependant on the storyteller. One storyteller could say the monster was a foot higher than the average man, another could say that the beast was fifteen feet high, still another could exaggerate even more and say it was twenty feet high. What is real is not relevant - the fact is that whoever is fighting the monster is at a considerable disadvantage. Making the monster bigger raises the tension, and therefore the entertainment value.
Similarly, it shouldn't really matter if Mace pummelled the droid army by hand, or blasted them apart with the Force, or took out every screw in a droid's body all at once, rendering it a pile of rubble, then went on to destroy an entire. The point is that after most of his troops were taken out, he single-handedly took out an entire droid army, and their seismic tank. It makes for good entertainment, and so the storyteller did his job well, right? 
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DocRevan
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5/4 12:53pm
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The thing with animation, with drawing in general, is that you can do it as over the top as you like.
Real life Mace Windu doesn't look like his cartoon self. He isn't that tall, and he hasn't got a chin that big, or eyes that small. Animation is all about exaggerating and stylizing, doing things as over the top as you like. I think that's the very simple explanation for why the jedi are so overpowered in the cartoon.
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vong333
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5/14 9:03pm
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I think that GT stuff was great and I am glad that he did it, but the star wars 3d stuff animation will be great
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darth_nemisis
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5/15 7:49am
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Jeez...how many people are going to be asking these types of questions? 
I am going to go with the general consensus about the GT Clone Wars...they aren't going anywhere.
Though, the reason I am chiming in is to this statement: I await the first lawsuit against the next proficient fan-film for example.
I don't think that will ever happen. Ever! It's too big of an area right now, there are so many fan films it's not even funny. Also, they hold an annual fan film contest...why would they end up suing them? I don't think it will happen.
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vong333
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5/21 10:18am
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These are not going anywhere, but I will tell you this. Even though the micro series was over the top in a lot of areas, it is still consitent with the EU. Becuase other stories in the EU really exceed what has been done in the cartoon. Force Storm from Dark Empire anyone? The super amulet of Dark Lords of the Sith? The one that Exar Kun got on Yavin and blasted that creature with what hundred thousand times the power of the force? So its not that bad at all when you thibk of it.
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Kal
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5/21 12:25pm
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Lucas offered TCW to Fox, but they turned it down. I would have loved for GT to continue, but he is working on other projects, and Lucasfilm obviously wanted to do more Clone Wars cartoons but in a different style.
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vong333
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The real question is, kind some of you guys accept that the clone wars will be the only era to be covered in movie, 2-d and 3-d animated series, comic books, novels, young adult novels, video games, short stories, cards, role playing games, toys, and non-fiction.
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darth_nemisis
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I am kind of confused at your statement. Are you saying that the Clone Wars will be the only era covered in books and video games? If so, that won't happen. The EU will continue, long past the saga. It's already 40 years with the novels past ROTJ, and 140(not quite sure exact) in the comics. Plus, there is the whole before the saga time period to explore. So, the Clone Wars will not be the only era used. If that were the case, it would get very, very boring.
If that's not what you were saying...my bad.
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WookieeWarrior9
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http://theforce.net/swtv/story/George_Lucas_Article_In_The_NY_Times_115648.asp
Based on the NYT article linked there, it looks like there's no love lost there. You have to be a NYT member since it's been a few days since that article was published, but Genndy basically says that GL doing this series is lazy because the universe has already been created. Uh yeah, he created the best fictional universe ever, so of course he likes to play in it. GL says that he's doing this for the same reason they did Indy IV- because it looks fun.
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vong333
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darth_nemesis, what I meant buddy was that the clone war era will probably have one of the distincitons of being the era that is covered with evreything to include movies.
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