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How about a story-arc that takes place 20 yrs before TPM?
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Cid
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5/6 2:38pm
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If Lucas is involved, artificial dates are not any obstacle. He's retconned the saga itself, retconning the EU is small potatoes.
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Prequel_Dreamer
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I wouldn't mind a Young Qui-Gon Jinn Chronicles or a Jedi Apprentice series based around Qui-Gon and Young Obi-Wan but... I don't care really about building up to TPM so much as I do just seeing Qui-Gon on some great Star Wars style adventures that don't have any real bearing on the motion picture series arc.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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RE: How about a story-arc that takes place 20 yrs before TPM?
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I would love to see Yoda training Mace, Qui-Gon, Sifo-Dyas and whoever else that was on the council at first, then have Dooku take over Qui-Gon's tutelage afterwards. Dooku and Jinn's adventures would be awesome to see. I would say this was probably the last time the Jedi had a good standard among the republic. By the way, what is Dooku's first name anyway?
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Cid
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
By the way, what is Dooku's first name anyway?
Count. 
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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5/10 4:28am
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It would be cool to see all the members of the Jedi Council at a young age. Imagine a younger Plo Koon in this and what we could learn of him. Imagine tales involving a young Adi Gallia, Saesee Tiin, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Depa Billaba, Eeth Koth, Oppo Rancisis, Even Piell, Yarael Poof and Yaddle. These characters need more exposure.
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maderic
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
It would be cool to see all the members of the Jedi Council at a young age. Imagine a younger Plo Koon in this and what we could learn of him. Imagine tales involving a young Adi Gallia, Saesee Tiin, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Depa Billaba, Eeth Koth, Oppo Rancisis, Even Piell, Yarael Poof and Yaddle. These characters need more exposure.
I disagree. They're all equally irrelevant in the story of Star Wars.
A pre-TPM show/movie/whathaveyou would be boring. As much as I love the Jedi Apprentice series, it doesn't make sense to do a series set before Episode I because nothing important happens. The story starts with The Phantom Menace. I don't care to see more about Darth Plagueis, he too is rather irrelevant, an off-hand reference in one film out of six. It's pretty clear to me anyway that Palpatine was just lying about Plagueis' mythical powers to begin with; just a snare to lure in Anakin.
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The2ndQuest
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There are some pre-TPM stories that would make for excellent TV- most notably Cloak of Deception (with Valorum's corruption accusations and the Neimoidians gaining control of the Trade Federation and acquiring their new battle droids, thanks to help by Sidious) and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (the whole "this guy could expose the Naboo blockade before it happens" element is surprisingly effective despite knowing how it'll end; plus it was written by Reaves, who worked on Batman TAS, and it really does cpature that feel effectively).
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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maderic posted:
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
It would be cool to see all the members of the Jedi Council at a young age. Imagine a younger Plo Koon in this and what we could learn of him. Imagine tales involving a young Adi Gallia, Saesee Tiin, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Depa Billaba, Eeth Koth, Oppo Rancisis, Even Piell, Yarael Poof and Yaddle. These characters need more exposure.
I disagree. They're all equally irrelevant in the story of Star Wars.
A pre-TPM show/movie/whathaveyou would be boring. As much as I love the Jedi Apprentice series, it doesn't make sense to do a series set before Episode I because nothing important happens. The story starts with The Phantom Menace. I don't care to see more about Darth Plagueis, he too is rather irrelevant, an off-hand reference in one film out of six. It's pretty clear to me anyway that Palpatine was just lying about Plagueis' mythical powers to begin with; just a snare to lure in Anakin.
Dude, it's all about credibility with these characters, which they have none. What we have here is a bunch of Jedi that would be more interesting to see then characters that are over exposed; e.g. Anakin and Obi-Wan. You wouldn't want to see Qui-Gon and Dooku in their prime? You wouldn't want to see Sifo-Dyas and who he really was? Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious, and how they hid for so long? How about Grievous before he was disfigured? And what about the Mandalorians and how Jango was one of them? This is just a small list of what these characters can offer to the saga. I'd rather see this than watch a series based on the fallen republic with no jedi characters involved. You mean to tell me you'd rather see storylines based on the politics of the Empire, and miscellaneous characters that have no bearing on what has happened before? Stories based on Luke working at Tosche Station and Obi-Wan soul searching in the deserts of Tatooine? Han in some orphanage and Chewbacca in some slave camp? Lando in some casino? Now that's what I call boring. And what I've heard thus far, which is rumored to be written as the plots in the t.v. series, do not involve the Emperor and Vader, because there will be no credible threat for them to get involved. And since there will only be these minor role characters in this new storyline, I'm almost certain it will fail. For example; Droids and Ewoks both failed because they lacked the Jedi feel, which is why this saga is interesting and makes it different from all the other space epics. Lucas needs to stay in his field of expertise which is to show what we really want, tales of jedi, and nothing else. If we wanted something other than that, then we would watch Star Trek or Firefly. What I mean pretty much is that the Force is what Star Wars should always be about.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
Dude, it's all about credibility with these characters, which they have none. What we have here is a bunch of Jedi that would be more interesting to see then characters that are over exposed; e.g. Anakin and Obi-Wan. You wouldn't want to see Qui-Gon and Dooku in their prime?
Well, it would be fun, but not relevant for the saga, which is, you know, about Anakin Skywalker.
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You wouldn't want to see Sifo-Dyas and who he really was?
No. For all we know he might just be a Jedi who got killed, and Dooku just posed as him when he ordered the clone army. It's just a name.
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Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious, and how they hid for so long?
Nah. We've seen Sidious hiding long enough. Plagueis could even be made up by him.
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How about Grievous before he was disfigured?
Grievous is just the general of the droid army. Besides being a Jedi killer in the Clone Wars, he's not all that important.
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You mean to tell me you'd rather see storylines based on the politics of the Empire, and miscellaneous characters that have no bearing on what has happened before?
Well yeah, because it will be the Star Wars universe from a totally different perspective. The setting of the Dark Times has always been the most intriguing to me.
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Stories based on Luke working at Tosche Station and Obi-Wan soul searching in the deserts of Tatooine? Han in some orphanage and Chewbacca in some slave camp? Lando in some casino?
No, and we won't be seeing these people either. It will be about other people, other tales. More interesting because we already more or less know what happens with the famous characters.
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Lucas needs to stay in his field of expertise which is to show what we really want, tales of jedi, and nothing else. If we wanted something other than that, then we would watch Star Trek or Firefly. What I mean pretty much is that the Force is what Star Wars should always be about.
"We"? Speak for yourself please. Tales of Jedi and nothing else? No thanks. I think we've had plenty of that. Keep in mind that your opinion is not everyone else's.
Also, To say that Star Wars without Jedi would be like Star Trek is the worst analogy I've ever seen. Star Trek is just a soap that happens around people in space costumes. We don't see battles, we see Captains giving orders. It's nothing like Star Wars.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
Lucas needs to stay in his field of expertise which is to show what we really want, tales of jedi, and nothing else. If we wanted something other than that, then we would watch Star Trek or Firefly. What I mean pretty much is that the Force is what Star Wars should always be about.
Jedi overload would kill the series the way it did the PT. One or two, maybe, but that's it.
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You don't want Jedi in these series? Just you wait, it'll flop in one season. Star Wars is nothing without them. You think an adventure about some smuggler will settle your stomach? It's happened before, and it'll happen again. And I wasn't saying they should cram all these jedi in one story-line. What I was saying is that this era needs to be exploited. Any more stories about Anakin, or anyone during his time as a Jedi will not only contradict what has happened, but it'll diminish what was laid down before. eg; Ahsoka.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
You don't want Jedi in these series? Just you wait, it'll flop in one season. Star Wars is nothing without them. You think an adventure about some smuggler will settle your stomach?
It worked for ANH
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That's bull. Obi-Wan and Vader were, and so wasn't a potential one at that.
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But they were hardly necessary or the focus to the story- it was mostly about a non-powered Luke and his adventure with a smuggler and his copilot to rescue a non-powered princess and help non-powered rebels & pilots destroy the Death Star. The "Jedi" elements of the movie amounted to a choke, a mind trick and a delaying-action duel, none of which were central to the story, nor the most exciting part.
Which is not to say they weren't cool- just ANH is, by and large, a Jedi-free story about a boy, a girl and a universe ( ) in an adventure with some smuggler.
I think what people are saying (besides, perhaps, feeling "Jedi'd out" by their heavy focus and use in the prequels) is that Jedi aren't, by themselves, the sole mandatory element needed in a SW story- especially in a TV series where you have room to develop more characters. The pilots, scoundrels, rebels, imperials, space battles, aliens & monsters are all equally important and are presented in SW in a manner unique to the SW universe and it's rules which distinguishes them from other franchises which might have one or two similar elements.
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Quest, I do agree with you to some extent. But just as those other character make up Star Wars, so do Jedi. I'm not saying that I want Jedi to be the main focus of the story, but I think we do need some element of them in there. We've grown accustomed to having Jedi in all of the movies and it helps make Star Wars what it is. I just think that we'll need SOME element, albeit small, of Jedi in the series.
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