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The2ndQuest
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RE: How about a story-arc that takes place 20 yrs before TPM?
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Oh, don't get me wrong- I'm not advocating a series be Jedi-free, just that you can do Jedi-free stories within the medium, and to say "there has to be Jedi or it'll fail" is a misconception, IMO.
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Darth-Wyrm
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lol seems like this argument is in virtually every thread.
I'm firmly within the camp that says you NEED Jedi in the story. Shouldn't be hundreds of Jedi, but definitely one or two here and there.
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On the topic that this thread was started for, I think that this idea is very interesting, but not for film/the TV set. I think having a well distinguished author write a novel about it would do just fine for the purpose of that era. I am much more interested in the "Dark times" than that era, and I think Lucas should be the one to tell that story.
On the topic of the Jedi...I agree that it does not need Jedi...but I think it should have Jedi. Jedi is practically what defines Star Wars now. I also think that with the newest generation of Star Wars fans, and the ones that will be targeted at with the new CW 3D cartoon, they will automatically think Jedi when they think of Star Wars because that's what they grew up with, whether or not they are OT fans or not. So, I think if they are going to keep the attention of the viewers with the Live Action show, then they need to have Jedi at some point.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
You don't want Jedi in these series? Just you wait, it'll flop in one season.
Read what i type before complaining. I said "Jedi overload." If it's all Jedi it'll suffer the way the PT did.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR
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Cid posted:
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
You don't want Jedi in these series? Just you wait, it'll flop in one season.
Read what i type before complaining. I said "Jedi overload." If it's all Jedi it'll suffer the way the PT did.
The reason why it suffered is because we were force fed all these characters with no background. I guarantee, if they ever make something like what I had indicated before, it will make these prequels more interesting. Nobody gave a damn about these jedi and who they were when they died, except for the few jedi who were mainly focused on. When Jinn died, I was like, "oh well". When Windu died, I was like, "no big deal". When the jedi masters were slaughtered during order 66, I was like, "Yawn". Not to mention the failed attempt of arresting the chancelor, I was like, "You gotta be kidding me". What a bunch of suckers they were. The jedi looked like a of bunch idiots, and not who we thought they were. They couldn't predict the future. They couldn't sense a sith in their own presence. And they sure couldn't fight to save their lives. They need a massive redemption, and stating that the force was at a weak point in this time doesn't cut it. Lucas said this was supposed to be the jedi in their prime, but it was more like they were in their twilight stage.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
The reason why it suffered is because we were force fed all these characters with no background.
The only characters that could have had any background at all were characters we had known from the OT. Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Darth Vader (In this case: Anakin). But that's all sorta backwards. I dunno if you can call it background if it's from 25 years in their future. Unless you intend to literally use only those characters you kind of have to include new ones.
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
I guarantee, if they ever make something like what I had indicated before, it will make these prequels more interesting.
That ship has left town. If the prequels couldn't make the prequels interesting, i really doubt some TV show can.
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
Nobody gave a damn about these jedi and who they were when they died, except for the few jedi who were mainly focused on. When Jinn died, I was like, "oh well". When Windu died, I was like, "no big deal".
Actually, those were the only two that left any impact upon their deaths.
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
When the jedi masters were slaughtered during order 66, I was like, "Yawn". Not to mention the failed attempt of arresting the chancelor, I was like, "You gotta be kidding me". What a bunch of suckers they were.
I don't really disagree. But all this does is lose me on the sucker characters. I don't care about Ki-Adi-Mundi, or goofy looking Yarel Poof (i think that's how you spell it), Plo Kloon doesn't interest me, nor does Yaddle or Kit Fisto's stupid smile. In fact the most interesting non Obi-Ani-Yoda aspect of the PT Jedi was Amy Allen's belly button (I paid close attention to that)!
So, no. The idea of TV show about a bunch characters i don't care about in the least bit doesn't intrigue me.
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
The jedi looked like a of bunch idiots, and not who we thought they were. They couldn't predict the future.
Nor should they have been able to with any reliability. Yoda said 30 years ago that the future was always in motion, changing that would have been another dumb retcon the saga was already bogged down with by that point.
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They couldn't sense a sith in their own presence.
Correction, they couldn't sense a Sith Master in their presence. Yoda had no trouble sensing the darkside in Palp's latest flunkie, Dooku. This is one aspect of the PT i actually agree with. It makes absolute perfect sense to me that a Sith Master would learn how to keep 10,000 Jedi from sniffing him or her out.
DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
And they sure couldn't fight to save their lives. They need a massive redemption, and stating that the force was at a weak point in this time doesn't cut it. Lucas said this was supposed to be the jedi in their prime, but it was more like they were in their twilight stage.
It was DEFINITELY the Jedi on the downswing.
The facts are this: The PT was all Jedi. About Half the fanbase hated the PT or large parts of it. You can't pin that all on Jar-Jar. So obviously something was missing. What was missing? Non-force users in signifigant roles has to be the answer. The only one of those was Padme, and Natalie Portman had NOTHING to work with. They need to show the contrast. Lightsabers lose their luster when that's all you see. Throw in more characters that can't call on the force to bail them out of a bad situation and you start appreciating it more.
Why we need to see a bunch of failed characters 20 years before they failed is anyone's guess. They didn't work for a LOT of us the first time why exacerbate the situation?
We want to see the dark times because they have to do with the saga as a whole and we don't know what happened during that time. Most of us don't want to see pre TPM stuff because we know where it goes, and a lot of us didn't like TPM to begin with.
I want Jedi in the LAS, don't get me wrong. I feel that without them completely it isn't Star Wars, regardless of artificial canon, but to have a series totally focus on Jedi will be to make the same mistake twice. I feel that there MUST be a happy medium found for the show to succeed. IMO there should be ONE Jedi on the show (Or, at best, a Jedi and his or her Padawan), but that's it.
Take it or leave it. You've got about as much chance talking me into wanting "Jedi: The Series" as the Anti-Jedi people have at talking me into wanting a show without them (Or the weirdos who seem to want "Nerfherder: The Series").
Sorry, i like my Lukes, but i like my Han's and Lando's too.
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I like my Han's, too. And I think they should add these sort of characters as well. Dex is but one example of who they should show. All I'm saying is that, we had a look at the present and the future, and think that the past should be shown as well. This is where the characters that were laid out should be more established, and which could complete a cycle that we all wanted before, sort of like the old 9 episode series that was once thought to be made. But, instead of making a trilogy, all I'm asking for is a series of cartoons during this time that stretches for years and ends right when the chosen one is born. The problem with most of you fanboys is that you feel showing the Empire's era is more important than showing the Republic's era. Well, I for one think the Empire is way over exposed.
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Sidious69
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Why not make a story arc that took place between TPM and AOTC??
I would like that better.
There's a whole decade between those 2 episodes.
It can show:
A young Obi-Wan training an adolescent Anakin.
Darth Sidious choosing and training Darth Tyranus.
The Sith plan to create the Clone Army.
The early relationship of Chancellor Palpatine and Anakin Skywalker. And how Anakin really became good friends with Palpatine.
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DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR posted:
Well, I for one think the Empire is way over exposed.
Since when? The last live action anything featuring the empire in any significant role was in theaters twenty five years ago. Sure there was ROTS but that's hardly "The Empire" but rather the corpse of the Republic and a sort of baby empire.
If they want to show republic times, they need to do something new and unconnected with the film series. That way we, at least, wouldn't know where it was going. If he wants to connect it with the Films then he needs to show the dark times, since the vast majority of that has never been touched in film, comic or book.
And for me the dark times have never been touched, since i don't read comic books (though i have read a couple of the Dark Horse Conan series, good stuff) and i don't read ANY pop-fiction at all. Be it D&D (though i did read dragonlance like 20 years ago), Star trek, Star Wars, whatever... anything that's a series based on something else usually written by authors i've never heard of. For my books i stick with new stuff. Martin, king, Gibson, etc... Used to like Jordan before his series tanked. This may be off topic, but what I'm saying is that there are very likely to be more out there like me (Probably a whole lot more) who don't know jack about what's 'overexposed' in fan circles. I am interested in Star Wars live action and that's it. So you may be talking over my head about the Empire being overexposed. For me the knowledge of the dark times comes from a few lines in ANH and that's pretty much all. The animated CW series a few years ago was ok but it was soooo different from the movies that it was hard to take seriously. The new animated CW sounds ok, i'll have to see it.
EDITED TO ADD: Not attacking the EU or pop fiction at all. Looking elsewhere on TFN it seems to be a sorta sensetive issue. Books take a while, it's not something you can pop in and be done with in 2 hourse, and i don't have a lotta time to read. My avoiding it isn't really a judgement on the EU.
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In the OT, you had a farmboy who learns mystical powers, a rogue, a princess, a polite golden robot, a little green hermit, soldiers clad in white, etc.
A lot of the appeal to me in watching the original trilogy is the diversity of characters.
In the prequels, almost every character of any importance was a Jedi (or their evil Sith counterpart): Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Dooku, Palpatine, etc.
Other characters like Nute Gunray, Jar Jar, Jango, Grievous, Bail Organa, etc. were there, but their roles in the prequel trilogy generally only had any importance in a single episode.
The wizard-like qualities of the Jedi were a part of a greater diversity of characters in the original trilogy, while in the prequels they drowned out most of the other characters. So, I would agree that the Jedi do add something to the wonder of Star Wars, but they should never be the main focus. I'm somewhat hesitant of The Clone Wars television show for that reason, and I think the prequels were not what they could have been because of the "Jedi = Star Wars" mentality. They are a part of it yes, but should not be the only focus.
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^^QFT
Plus, look at the two KOTOR games (loved them). The first one has like 4 Jedi in it including the main character, with like 6 other characters that weren't Jedi. In the second one almost every character could become a Jedi if you knew how to get them there. First<second (Though had the first not included any Jedi it'd have flopped).
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I would much rather See KOTOR series or at least done in movies.
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I don't want to see a live action tv series on the KOTOR. If anything, I want to see the third video game finally done. Since that era is resplendit with exaggerated action, an animated show by Genndy would be in order. But, studying GL, I sincerely doubt it will happen. I feel that the Clone Wars and the Live action series in between Episode 3 and 4 is what we will get. I know that GL ain't doing anything after ROTJ, and I don't really see a real reason to try before TPM. In fact, what I do see is that if this clone war movie does good, he might do another on either next year or the year afterowrds, and might even try to do the same with the live action series. That I see him doing. I have a very hard time believing that GL is going to do anything before or after his 6 movie epic. I think that part will be left to the novels, comic books, and video games to fill in, which in my opinion have done so nicely.
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Have you guys everthought of a T.V. Series before tales of the jedi/knights of the old republic era. You know ancient Darksiders and Ancient lightsiders before the Sith and Jedi? That would be indeed be cool to see.
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Oh, you mean before even the Republic? Like...more than 10,000 BBY?
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