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dv909
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OK, yes, I love SW. And just so you know from the start, I very much enjoy the PT, but prefer the OT. And as an old fan I am absolutely 'STARVING' to see the original characters back in action. So after reading what Lucas has said about the story being over with Vader's death, blah, blah, blah, I cannot help myself but suggest there be an animated series starring Luke and Co.
First of all, isn't the story about Anakin's fall essentially over at this point? I think yes. But OK, so Lucasfilm is gonna go back to tell more stories that take place before the 'fall'. Great! I'm sure it's gonna be exciting and I can't wait to see it. But with that in mind why can't there be stories with the original characters that take place during the timeframe of the OT?
Surely there's an appetite for something like this. Especially considering that virtually everytime there's a SW reference or spoof, it's about the OT. Deal Or No Deal only had characters from the OT. Family Guy spoofed the original film. And the majority of the Robot Chicken spoofs are aimed at the OT as well.
Am I the only one who wants to see Vader hunt down the remaining JK's? Especially the one who left him limbless on the shore of a lava river? Or maybe exploring the circumstances around stealing the plans for the DS and setting Leia off on her mission (and why exactly is she a princess btw?). Or how about that bounty hunter that Solo and friends ran into on Ord Mantrell?
I think if Lucasfilm pursued an animated series of the original SW characters they'll be able to infuse it with all the humor and heroics of the OT that would give the franchise a much needed facelift. And perhaps even make it appeal to a wider audience. Because let's face it. The PT and it's spinoffs have basically been all doom and gloom.
Does anybody else feel like I do? Or am I just bat crap crazy?
Some other possible 'animated' adventures of Luke Skywalker and friends:
-Solo dumping the goods and sending Jabba into a bounty hunter frenzy.
- Vader hell bent on finding out who destroyed the DS.
- Shadows Of The Empire (or something like it)
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Berkyjay
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dv909 posted:
OK, yes, I love SW. And just so you know from the start, I very much enjoy the PT, but prefer the OT. And as an old fan I am absolutely 'STARVING' to see the original characters back in action. So after reading what Lucas has said about the story being over with Vader's death, blah, blah, blah, I cannot help myself but suggest there be an animated series starring Luke and Co.
First of all, isn't the story about Anakin's fall essentially over at this point? I think yes. But OK, so Lucasfilm is gonna go back to tell more stories that take place before the 'fall'. Great! I'm sure it's gonna be exciting and I can't wait to see it. But with that in mind why can't there be stories with the original characters that take place during the timeframe of the OT?
Surely there's an appetite for something like this. Especially considering that virtually everytime there's a SW reference or spoof, it's about the OT. Deal Or No Deal only had characters from the OT. Family Guy spoofed the original film. And the majority of the Robot Chicken spoofs are aimed at the OT as well.
Am I the only one who wants to see Vader hunt down the remaining JK's? Especially the one who left him limbless on the shore of a lava river? Or maybe exploring the circumstances around stealing the plans for the DS and setting Leia off on her mission (and why exactly is she a princess btw?). Or how about that bounty hunter that Solo and friends ran into on Ord Mantrell?
I think if Lucasfilm pursued an animated series of the original SW characters they'll be able to infuse it with all the humor and heroics of the OT that would give the franchise a much needed facelift. And perhaps even make it appeal to a wider audience. Because let's face it. The PT and it's spinoffs have basically been all doom and gloom.
Does anybody else feel like I do? Or am I just bat crap crazy?
Some other possible 'animated' adventures of Luke Skywalker and friends:
-Solo dumping the goods and sending Jabba into a bounty hunter frenzy.
- Vader hell bent on finding out who destroyed the DS.
- Shadows Of The Empire (or something like it)
Peace!
For an OT Animated show, I would think anything is possible given enough time. Right now it's all about the PT so let that run it's course then maybe we will get an OT show if Clone Wars is a big hit. So my advice, let's all support the hell out of The Clone Wars then maybe we will see something in the OT afterwards.
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GARTH_MAUL
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I personally think it's a great idea.
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I'm always open to more and more Star Wars.
But, personally, I've read enough post ROTJ EU up until the New Jedi Order. Which, IMO, is crap.
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WookieeWarrior9
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Well the other day, George shot down any hopes for a post- ROTJ animated series. I think it's entirely possible that we get a series based on the main character's adventures between IV and V in a few years when Clone Wars has run it's course.
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Cid
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Lucas’ preoccupation with the pre-Vader Anakin Skywalker is fascinating (in that stare-at-a-car-accident kind of way). While most view Anakin as merely a passing backstory of his much more interesting incarnation as Vader, Lucas seems to see him in a very different light. The fact that he keeps shelling out money to go over the same pre-ROTS ground suggests he’s still enamored with his Tragic Messiah figure… much more than I think anyone else is.
I’ll be interested to see how Lucas changes his tune regarding post-Return of the Jedi era once the Anakin franchise dries up for good (which won’t be long, I suspect).
I think a lot of this PT focus is George still trying to make the PT work. I mean, where are those "tiny experimental art house" movies he was on about so much?
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Cid posted:
I’ll be interested to see how Lucas changes his tune regarding post-Return of the Jedi era once the Anakin franchise dries up for good (which won’t be long, I suspect).
I think a lot of this PT focus is George still trying to make the PT work. I mean, where are those "tiny experimental art house" movies he was on about so much?
I think this is it. Luke and his friends, thats sort of "old news," in that Lucas got it out of his system and has no pressing desire to continue their story. The prequels/Vader, however, he has not gotten out of his system yet, in fact he's still trying to make everything work, with this series filling in a lot of the holes he left in the prequel trilogy. I think by the time this series is done and the LAS is well under way (maybe sometime around 2012 or so), fans themselves might be getting a bit tired of PT-era stuff and I think Lucas too might start getting a bit of tired and realise theres an entire second half to his series that he's sort of overlooked for the past decade and a half. I doubt he'll have heavy involvement the way he has been with the two current series in production, but I have a feeling he would be receptive to the idea when some marketing executive at Lucasfilm proposes the idea of doing OT and post-OT era media.
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Cid posted:
Lucas’ preoccupation with the pre-Vader Anakin Skywalker is fascinating (in that stare-at-a-car-accident kind of way). While most view Anakin as merely a passing backstory of his much more interesting incarnation as Vader, Lucas seems to see him in a very different light. The fact that he keeps shelling out money to go over the same pre-ROTS ground suggests he’s still enamored with his Tragic Messiah figure… much more than I think anyone else is.
I’ll be interested to see how Lucas changes his tune regarding post-Return of the Jedi era once the Anakin franchise dries up for good (which won’t be long, I suspect).
I think a lot of this PT focus is George still trying to make the PT work. I mean, where are those "tiny experimental art house" movies he was on about so much?
I completely agree with this sentiment. It's almost like Lucas is blatantly ignoring the fact that fans LOVE Darth Vader...not Anakin Skywalker. We want the badass in the suit! Plus, it seems to me quite obvious that the period between episodes III and IV is lush with potential. How many people don't want to see the Empire solidifying its power, Rebels on the run, and Vader hunting down the last of the Jedi? I know the LAS is supposed to take place during this time, but we're not going to see all that happen on a large scale as they've already said no main characters will appear.
In particular with animation, it makes it more possible to bring back the OT characters without too many problems. You don't need a guy in the Vader suit...you just need someone who sounds a lot like JEJ, which has been done before.
Plus, it always struck me as weird that there's a very interesting, and significant gap between episodes V and VI when Luke becomes a Jedi. I know it was covered in Shadows of the Empire, but that's EU. I want to see that time period covered on the screen. I would imagine tons of fans would love to see the OT characters and watch Luke further develop into the Jedi we see at the beginning of ROTJ. After all, it's the process that's always more interesting than the final product. Hopefully Lucas will realize this sometime soon and cover all these other periods that have so much potential.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. SOTE would be an amazing mini-movie or even a tv series. It covered everything you needed to know for ROTJ.
Well, except for Dash that is.
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Lucas has explained in recent interviews that he has no ideas for what happens to Luke and co after ROTJ. However, as only the beginning and end of the Clone Wars was shown in the prequels, he feels there is more scope for stories there. I think he might also reckon younger audiences might find that period and its characters more interesting.
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Kal posted:
Lucas has explained in recent interviews that he has no ideas for what happens to Luke and co after ROTJ.
You know, I never really understood Lucas' argument here. So the problem is--he'd have to think up a story? Oh Noes! The trilogy will never be made now!
With all the making-it-up-as-we-go that occured on the prequels I'd hardly think this would be anything holding him back. I mean its kind of a "duh" thing, yeah you'd have to think up a story for it, thats what writers do. I think Lucas honestly just has no interest in doing post-OT stuff. Lucas said a few years ago if he were to do a post-OT story he would be 70 years old when he began it (and if he went the trilogy route, roughly 80 when he finished it) and he just doesn't feel like making another Star Wars sequel in his 70's.
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I think Lucas must have given some thought to what happens after ROTJ, but never really came up with definite ideas. He said recently he wouldn't have done what has been done in the EU. Immediately following the release of ROTJ, the writers of Marvel's Star Wars comic were constrained with what they could do with the characters, but by the early 90s, the likes of Timothy Zahn and Tom Veitch had a much freer reign to continue the saga. I think at that point, Lucas had pretty much decided that he wasn't going to make Episodes VII-IX.
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A lot of this, i think, also has to do with keeping fan focus on current projects. It'll be interesting to see Lucas' thoughts on this when the LAS is something other than some abstract future project and is instead something real and underway.
Honestly i'm not sure why Lucas is so adamant at not having suited Vader in the LAS, it's not like most of his other characters. You can put anyone in the suit, march him around, and have JEJ voice him. JEJ would probably appreciate the work!
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I can understand not having a series post-ROTJ, but there could easily be another animated series done a la the first Clone Wars cartoon, set between ANH and ESB. There's a three year time gap there, just like the time frame of the Clone Wars thelmselves! It's a period in which we see Luke questioned about whether or not he can fly an X-Wing to having risen to the rank of commander, easily wielding the Force and being described as the "leader" (at least according to ESB scrawl) of the Rebellion. Likewise, there's clearly been an evolution in Han and Leia's relationship during this time period; Palps has become growingly worried about a new convergence in the Force that threatens him; and Vader has gone mad crazy searching the galaxy for this "Luke Skywalker" guy. If not an ongoing 3D series, at least a limited regular animated series like the first Clone Wars cartoon would rock. In fact, Lucas doesn't even have to oversee it himself; just handle control back over to the same guys who did the original Clone Wars cartoon.
Not that I don't care about the PT, I quite enjoy it in fact! But I feel the Clone Wars have been beaten to death and have wondered why the whole rich time frame between ANH and ESB has not been tapped for animated exploration. And as a bonus, the series could even be used to explore the "Dark Times" era between ROTS and ANH via character flashbacks, whether that be from the p.o.v. of Vader, Han, Leia, Fett, or some newly created animated character.
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zombie posted:
Lucas said a few years ago if he were to do a post-OT story he would be 70 years old when he began it (and if he went the trilogy route, roughly 80 when he finished it) and he just doesn't feel like making another Star Wars sequel in his 70's.
Then he should produce it, and let someone else direct it and write the screenplays. Like he should have done with the PT. The guy's probably one of the best producers in history.
I don't see a new trilogy happening. But I'd be a lot more interested in a post ROTJ animated series than i am in a CW animated series. Lucas says he wouldn't have done what the EU did, so I'd like to have seen what he would have done with it. In Lucas' vision: How would the establishment of a New Jedi Order have gone? What would Han and Leia's kid's (if any) names have been? What would have happened with the headless remains of the Empire? What sort of government would the rebel alliance have set up?
Something that sorta ran parallel to the EU but wasn't part of it and went off in it's own direction, unconstrained by previous continuity and with a full 6 movie saga backing it up. Sort of a reboot. Comic books do it all the time when they wind up in danger of collapsing under their own weight continuity-wise, why not SW? And who better to spearhead a reboot than "the guy who built the sandbox?" In fact, with some of the reactions to the EU in the last 10 or so years a reboot might just save the day.
I'd support the hell out of a OT animated series EU or no EU.
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If there's no story to tell, then there's no story to tell. I recall reading an interview, I think done with MTV back before Episode III, where Lucas was asked what happens to characters like Leia and Han after ROTJ. Lucas gives some sarcastic remark along the lines of, "they probably get married and settle down in a house with a white picket fence; Han's probably out in the front yard cooking burgers."
It seems clear to me that Episode VI has a "happily ever after" ending as far as Lucas is concerned. The Sith are destroyed, Luke reestablishes the Jedi Order, Han marries Leia, there is a return to democracy founded ushering is an era of peace, etc. I.E. Han does not have a child that reestablishes the Sith Order, etc. as far as Lucas is concerned. You can't have a good story without a conflict, and in Lucas' mind there isn't a conflict after Episode VI. Therefore there is no story worth telling.
The Clone Wars is ripe with conflict and thus it is only natural that Lucas continue to play around in that time frame. Later, we will see the era between Episodes III and IV, and Lucas did not rule out the possibility of a KOTOR show, if the CW and LAS were both successful. Though any KOTOR show will probably feature stories more along the lines of the adventures of a young Yoda and the "destruction" of the Sith Order, and not the continuing stories of Revan or the Exile.
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