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darth_nemisis
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Hmmm...I thought you just meant Star Wars. I was unaware. My mistake. 
But, I don't think it'd be wise for Lucasarts to do that.
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Cid
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Star Wars was marvel.
My main point with this is that the SW EU is in danger of collapsing under it's own continuity. One indicator of this is Lumiya appearing in recent books. Lumiya was a character that appeared in the late 70's/early 80's Marvel comics star wars series that was resurrected in LOTF, so they have basically accepted the entire marvel line as "EU canon" and are referring to it. Basically this is a pretty bad thing. When continuity becomes so convoluted that they start reaching for obscure characters like Lumiya (or the brain-case that became Nyax, as i read on wookiepedia) to stay fresh people start having to have encyclopedic knowledge of the fictional universe to really know what's going on, or pages and pages recapping obscure storylines written decades ago.
This happened 20 years ago with DC, they rebooted and as a result their characters regained popularity they had not enjoyed in some cased since the late 1930's.
Marvel recently did this with their Ultimates line, and as a result those characters that got the ultimate treatment have never been more popular in their history (With the possible exception of Spiderman, though Ultimate Spiderman outsells it's main sequence title with every issue because it doesn't have to deal with all the junk that drove readers away from Spiderman in the first place.)
It was the right choice, it enhanced the popularity of the characters, it enhanced the curiosity factor of the old continuity resulting in more readers, the titles that were dying previously got a shot in the heart in that they were pared down to the basics that made them famous in the first place.
It works. It's proven.
IMO star wars should do it. It's time. I don't think they will.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon
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Of course, one could argue that Star Wars ALREADY had somewhat of a continuity reboot starting with the SEs and then growing with the PT which introduced so many problems that OT and EU continuity have been rewritten in many places to fit in with the PT.
The "Tragedy of Anakin" reboot, if you will.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon posted:
Of course, one could argue that Star Wars ALREADY had somewhat of a continuity reboot starting with the SEs and then growing with the PT which introduced so many problems that OT and EU continuity have been rewritten in many places to fit in with the PT.
The "Tragedy of Anakin" reboot, if you will.
Not to mention the many plot holes in the films that were just left up to the EU to fill. This way all of it can be done with the full six films in mind, and without all the retconning that had to take place after the PT rendered large parts of the EU incomprehensible.
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blow_up_the_outside posted:
Hmm I dont think I would like an EU reset, im happy with it so far, however I am only up to Thawn trilogy post ROTJ. Most EU I have read has been excellent (TPM era up to Thawn time).
To be honest, you don't need to read any further than the post-ROTJ Zahn novels. Pretty much everything that comes after is horrible.
I was never a fan of a live action Episode VII-IX...but with technology as it is today, I would be delighted with further Animated adventures of Luke Skywalker..The voice acting would'nt be a problem as long as it was a passable likeness.
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Bah, Zahn is horrible too. Thrawn was kind of cool, but Luke was totally out of character. The RotJ Luke wouldn't have fallen for C'baoth's thinly veiled twisted nonsense teachings. And then we have an evil Luke clone! What a genius story! 
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darth_nemisis
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So, this forum is full of EU haters then? 
I rather like the EU. Some things I didn't enjoy much, like the Dark Nest trilogy, but I do like a lot of it. I like most of the NJO and I really enjoyed the LotF.
And, this is what has been drilled into peoples mind for years, I just don't think there would be a reboot, because it would upset many, many people. And besides, I am not really interested in anything beyond the saga in LA/3d wise. Seeing those characters in 3D would be weird for one, and having a LA series would just be horrible. There'd be no way they could get the original characters to do it because no one looks the same. So, I wouldn't expect it.
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The only thing with the original characters that I think I'd like to see is a post OT series featuring a still relatively young Luke (maybe in his 30s) as the Jedi Master. This could follow his work rebuilding the Jedi Order and feature an ensemble of young Jedi apprentices. I'd also like to see Luke at the height of his powers. That would help to cap the original saga, because, if Luke truly does become the greatest Jedi ever, it would complete the circle.
I don't want to see anything else that belongs in between two major known events. That just removes too much of the mystique. It seems like all we've had recently, from the PT to both Clone Wars series to the upcoming live-action show, all leads up to a series of events that we already know.
In all of the things we've seen since the OT, we had no real reason to fret for the stars (other than the ones we already knew were doomed). All along we knew Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Sidious would live, and we knew Mace, Jango, Dooku, Maul, Qui-Gon, Padme and pretty much all the other Jedi would die. It was cool to fill in the story, but it seems now that Lucas is way too preoccupied with the middle.
Since the Galactic Civil War was the watershed event during the Skywalker era, any other event that takes place during that time is either dwarfed in comparison or simply a link in the chain of events. It's better than nothing, but it seems like such a waste when both the KOTOR era and the New Republic era offer so many (almost limitless) possibilities.
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darth_nemisis posted:
Seeing those characters in 3D would be weird for one
No weirder than the PT characters in 3D. *shrug*
darth_nemisis posted:
and having a LA series would just be horrible.There'd be no way they could get the original characters to do it because no one looks the same.
25 years will do that... An OT LAS would be hard to swing. They'd have to set it a couple decades after ROTJ and i doubt they'd get anyone back except maybe Luke (After all, what's Mark Hamil doing these days other than voice work?). No WAY Ford would return to the role, especially for TV. So if they did that it'd just be Jedi probably. Luke and his apprentices or something.
Nah, i'd rather them start up an animated post ROTJ series (CGI or traditional animation, whatever, as long as it's not anime i'd be happy) set a few years after Endor.
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I don't know, I just wouldn't be entertained by it. I read a lot of EU and I think I just wouldn't be interested in them retelling what has already been told in my eyes. Regardless of what you can say, I will always believe that what has been written in all the official books is canon and what has happened in the fictional Star Wars universe. And I still don't see them re-doing that. I mean, Lucas has said it's not his story to tell, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
But, if this would happen, I would think that they could get Harrison Ford in a couple of episodes. There's no way he would return. But, Hammil is always a possibility. Voice work is what he chooses to do, so I don't know why you said it as if he doesn't do anything. Fisher...well, I don't think she'd fill in Leia anymore, no offense to her.
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darth_nemisis posted:
I don't know, I just wouldn't be entertained by it. I read a lot of EU and I think I just wouldn't be interested in them retelling what has already been told in my eyes.
There's a lot of people who don't read ANY EU, and of the ones who do there's a lot of people who read it and didn't like it.
darth_nemisis posted:
I mean, Lucas has said it's not his story to tell, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.
No he didn't, he said he couldn't be responsible for anything other then his stories and the sandbox he built. There is no way Lucas would ever say something like "it's not my story to tell" about any aspect of Star Wars. He barreled through canon he himself established 30 years ago when he made the PT, artificial canon told by someone else would be small potatoes.
And, again, it's not that i think this WILL happen, it's that i think this SHOULD happen.
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There are plenty of people who do like the EU. There may be certain pieces that some people don't like, but they do enjoy reading. If they didn't, they wouldn't read them.
I could have sworn he said something similar to that. I may be wrong, but I will try and find where I read that (if I did). If I didn't, my mistake.
But, it definitely shouldn't happen.
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I do like some EU. I loved the Dark Forces games, for example, even though I can hardly bring myself to view things like 'The Valley of the Jedi' as canon. But for a game you expect some things to be at least slightly cheesy. Truth is, I don't really care about what's canon. I care about what I like.
I love the KotOR era and a lot of the Clone Wars EU. It's mostly the post-RotJ era EU that is really bad overall, in my opinion. Some things I did like, like for example the Bounty Hunter stories, but for the most part, post-RotJ EU really messes up a lot. What is especially bad is the way they change how Jedi view the use of the Light and the Dark side, which is totally in contradiction with Lucas' concept of the Force, to name but one thing.
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I'm not interested in turning this into an EU/Anti-EU thread. But the common audience is more important than the EU audience for the same reason that the PT ignored it. The majority of viewers haven't read it, so it doesn't exist for them.
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Personally, I think a sitcom is in order. Everybody Loves Leia and Han. It would chronicle the trials and tribulations of raising the three Solo kids. Add some pointless sexual inneundo, constant insults among the family, and celeberity guest stars and you have a ratings hit.
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