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Obi1cannoli
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7/3 9:01pm
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Had a look (again) at the Clone Wars trailer, and is it my imagination or does Anakin carry the scar on his face that he has in episode three throughout the entire thing?
Now, I was sure that he was given that when he fought with Asajj Ventress on the top of his courascant building, right before throwing her off the top to what he believed was her death...towards the end of the clone wars...
Now the question - does this mean that the series is set in a specific point in the timeline close to the end of the clone wars? Or does this mean (to my mind more likely) that they've decided to ride roughshod over the rest of the established prequel EU and reinvent the wheel? *throws up hands before the inundation* I know, I know! The law of GL overrules the law of the EU, but I'm hoping we won't get into another saga where it's comics/books VS. movies like we did with the origins of Boba Fett, where it necessitates a lot of time effort to reconcile the two stories...
Does anybody know the answer to this? Is the story of Anakin's scar going to be changed, or did I miss the shots in the trailer where he doesn't have it, opening the possibility that he obtains it at the hands of Ventress during the movie?
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The2ndQuest
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In terms of when the movie is set, we don't have much of an idea yet- Dave implied CW3D was to visually transition from the CWGT appearances of characters and technology to that of those in ROTS, which suggests it's set in the latter half of the war, which would more or less fit with the established origin of the scar.
As far as the EU vs CW topic, we know Dave is a fan of the existing EU CW material and knows about it and is trying to work some of it in where appropriate, but that Lucas has encouraged they do what's best for the story being told if there's some contradictions, so there will likely be some fudging or inconsistancies that will have to be reconciled after the fact (and, so long as a good fix is established, the time it takes doesn't really matter- the Boba Fett example has taken a few years to be more fully actualized, and it's turned out to be easily the most interesting story in Boba Fett's life, and it hans't even been told in prose yet.)
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Obi1cannoli
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Glad to hear it - going to be interesting to see how it's handled then, since this will be the first time Ventress appears to many fans who have not seen the previous animated cartoon or read the comics. I can't imagine that it will set her as being an established character by the time of the movie, as they have another 100 episodes to flesh out her story to the audience...
Still, early days yet - we can look forward to it!
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In the pictures I have seen, I didn't see a scar. But, I wasn't really looking either.
If he does have the scar...it occurred during the Battle of Rendili, about 20 years BBY...more accurately about 19.5 years. Which would only give them .5 years to do the entire series. I find that as a stretch. Though, I also don't see them doing away with certain things in the EU. I know a lot of people will disagree, but I just don't see them doing that.
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The2ndQuest
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Technically it was just after the Battle of Rendili 
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Obi1cannoli
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Yeah, I was pretty sure it was late in the comic series that he received the scar...and I wouldn't have thought it was during the battle that Ventress came and had her little tussle with Ani on the coruscant skyscraper...
half a year does seem to be a little bit of a stretch to cram in an entire series about the clone wars though. Especially since they now have to fit Ashoka into the established timeline as well - she's nowhere in the comics/novels that I've read...
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Anakin got it from Assajj in the comics, like mentioned.
I think George has gotten himself into a bit of a pickle. Following EU and the Microseries, theres only about a little over half a year left in the Clone Wars once Anakin gets his scar. Somehow he plans to keep going with multiple seasons of the show even though technically theres only so much time left in the wars. Anakin also has his glow, which he doesn't get till the last episode of the Microseries. But he's Lucas, the holy creator. He can do and say and modify whatever he wants, and we'll still all love it.
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So this means the comic series i have followed for 3 years is now totally ruined, great. It is still AMAZING to me that after all the games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows that GL STILL went back to an alredy JAM PACKED and very, very established storyline in star wars history TO HAVE ANOTHER tv show! and the real killer is that hes not even doing it so that it will remotely make any scents, hes making 4 to 5 years worth of it! ITS ONLY A 3 YEAR WAR!
Im sorry but we did not need ANOTHER whole tv show about the clone wars. Everything worked out so good before this show and now its all destroyed. Theres no way to get out of this one by trying to have it make scents becouse of all the contradictions alredy shown -AND THE MOVIES NOT EVEN OUT YET!
Lucas stood by basically all of the games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows before but now he wants to do it all over again but thats ok becouse hes the boss right? so i got an idea! just as long as we are going back and doing it all over again lets do it again after this!  yea thats right, lets wait a few more years and cancel out all the THIS clone wars stuff so we can do MORE clone wars STUFF! and then a few years after that lets do it again!  so we can have even more games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows about the same little 3 year war -oh and did i mention the whole war is fake! 
Mean while we dont know ANYTHING about the galactic civil war, a REAL war that was being fought by are favorite characters to decide the REAL fate of the galaxy -not the planed out fate of the galaxy like in the clone wars. If there is ANYONE hear that can even tell me what rebel and imp. ground vehicles look like than please do but we dont know becouse we never even saw that! The closest we EVER came to seeing a battle in the GCW was the snow battle in TESB and the whole thing was made up of 3 vehicles, the snow speeder, the at-at and the at-st. we dont even know what a battle was like in that war and lucas wont show us becouse he is in love with overdoing his fake wars so much.
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darth_nemisis
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Well, I am sure there is a way he can fit all this stuff into the series. I mean (this is going to be a horrible example  ) shows like South Park where they've been in third and fourth grade for 10 years now. They may be able to do something like that. It doesn't mean he will cancel everything out. I think what we need to do is wait to see the movie and some of the show before we criticize.
obi-rob posted:
Lucas stood by basically all of the games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows before but now he wants to do it all over again but thats ok becouse hes the boss right? so i got an idea! just as long as we are going back and doing it all over again lets do it again after this! yea thats right, lets wait a few more years and cancel out all the THIS clone wars stuff so we can do MORE clone wars STUFF! and then a few years after that lets do it again! so we can have even more games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows about the same little 3 year war -oh and did i mention the whole war is fake!
I don't even know what to say to that. Besides the Clone Wars is not "fake". We've gone through this 100 times.
The whole thing about the GCW, I still stand by my statement that it would be boring in comparison to what they can do with the CW. There just can't be as many battles, if you ask me. IMO, the OT is about character development, not battle. And a cartoon about character development is not something kids want to see. The battle in ESB is not the only battle we see. ANH and RotJ both have battles. If you didn't like them or think they were "cool" battles, then I doubt you will be seeing any cool battles in a cartoon show because that is what you'd be getting.
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Im not saying they were boring im just saying that i cant see why GL wont show us a little bit more vehicles and things that have to do with the GCW. There is a 20 year time period to explore all aspects of the GCW and another 5 years to have the bulk of the battles. It would work great because we know so little about the war that GL would be adding to it and not beating it to death like he is with the clone wars.
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The CW is still a bit of a trial. I'll take anything, but I'd also love to see the events of the GCW. I really wish we could get it all right now. If it does well, the GCW is only a matter of time.
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darth_nemisis
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Well, we will have a show during the time period of the GCW, the LAS. Granted, we don't know at what time the show will start or anything, but why do two series of the same thing that will be running at the same time in a couple of years?
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The2ndQuest
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obi-rob-kenobi4 posted:
So this means the comic series i have followed for 3 years is now totally ruined, great. It is still AMAZING to me that after all the games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows that GL STILL went back to an alredy JAM PACKED and very, very established storyline in star wars history TO HAVE ANOTHER tv show! and the real killer is that hes not even doing it so that it will remotely make any scents, hes making 4 to 5 years worth of it! ITS ONLY A 3 YEAR WAR!
Im sorry but we did not need ANOTHER whole tv show about the clone wars. Everything worked out so good before this show and now its all destroyed. Theres no way to get out of this one by trying to have it make scents becouse of all the contradictions alredy shown -AND THE MOVIES NOT EVEN OUT YET!
Woah, wow- I think you're really overreacting here. The existing Clone Wars material is not totally ruined or "all destroyed". There are going to be tweaks, but we'll still have the epic saga of Quinlan Vos, Obi-Wan's obsession with Ventress, Mace Windu beating jungle rules and the Republic Commando mini-saga. It's not all being tossed out or rewritten. At worst, there'll be a few tweaks with minor retcons and maybe one slightly-convoluted larger retcon.
But it's way too early to jump to any conclusions- we don't even know yet if what we perceive as possible contradictions are even contradictions yet without watching these elements in context in the movie/series. There could be a throwaway line or narrative structure that explains things easily. The format might jump around the timeline, making placement of events a lot more flexible. It might even actually be in the last 6 months of the war, just capable of fitting in there because we might not follow Obi & Anakin all the time, so a Plo Koon or Quinlan Vos or solo-Ahsoka episode might be taking place elsewhere in the galaxy at the same time as a prior or upcoming Obi/Anakin story. We just don't know.
Plus, why not give Dave a chance and trust him that he knows the material you speak of, and see where he takes us in relation to it? Lucas may overrule him on occasion, but we've never had a SW TV with someone as EU-friendly as Dave seemingly is. That bodes better with him involved than had it been someone else.
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I never thought about them jumping around the timeline. I could have sworn I seen some pictures of Anakin with the scar and some without. It could just be the positioning and such. And you also make a good point about the capability of doing six months of the war in the series because of the different characters. I had not thought of it in that sense. I could see them doing that easily now that you mention it with all the Jedi that they could focus on. There's all the Jedi that people have wanted to see, but haven't yet: Plo Koon, Ki-Adi, etc.
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Exactly- not to mention any multi-episode arcs. The first season is, what, 22 episodes? If we assume the movie is the first 3-4 episodes combined, that single rescue mission leaves us with approx. 18 episodes. Let's say Obi & Anakin have 2-3 major (multi-episode spanning, foreground or background) missions per season (so they average something big once a week or every other week during the course of a month, in theory), and maybe 3 or 4 smaller ones/sidestories featuring them (what they do in their downtime or between major missions).
Assuming they probably won't do more than a 2 parter beyond the movie premiere, that leaves about 8-10 remaining episodes that can show major things happening where Obi/Anakin are not, either at the same time as they are handling big things of their own or during their downtime, or the reverse- smaller things going on while Obi/Annie are facing off against fleets, Dooku and Grievous.
So, say, 2 of those episodes are Plo Koon stories. One is Kit Fisto. Another is about Aayla or Quin, another about Yoda or Mace, etc. It'd very easy to insert those between the Obi/Anakin stories and still be within the timespan of a single month, without having to cram the characters into doing something major every single day (ala the immediate post-Yavin timeframe).
And that's just one month at a relatively leisurely pace. You could probably pick the pace up and squeeze things down by a week or two using those techniques and still make it flow relatively believably. But even keeping it to one month per season, 6 months is plenty. Do we really expect to get more than 5 seasons out of this show? Most children-aimed animated shows don't last for more than 3 or 4 seasons (without taking a "Clone Wars ZX" or "Clone Wars: Confederate Chronicles" japanese spin-off approach which wouldn't fit well with SW).
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obi-rob-kenobi4 posted:
So this means the comic series i have followed for 3 years is now totally ruined, great. It is still AMAZING to me that after all the games,comics,books,story's,and tv shows that GL STILL went back to an alredy JAM PACKED and very, very established storyline in star wars history TO HAVE ANOTHER tv show! and the real killer is that hes not even doing it so that it will remotely make any scents, hes making 4 to 5 years worth of it! ITS ONLY A 3 YEAR WAR!
Im sorry but we did not need ANOTHER whole tv show about the clone wars. Everything worked out so good before this show and now its all destroyed. Theres no way to get out of this one by trying to have it make scents becouse of all the contradictions alredy shown -AND THE MOVIES NOT EVEN OUT YET!
I think it would've been great if Lucas did it the right way. I agree, it's stupid that he's going back on his word and changing things even though it's only a 3 year war and this show is technically within the last half of a year. I'm still overly excited for this show, but thats only because its SW and I cant not be. If Lucas re-told the CW stories, for those who don't read EU, play the games or watched the Microseries. I mean, he should've started telling the war from right after AOTC. Re-did the books and the microseries in that animation. There was no need to change the time span and add Ahsoka in etc etc.
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