Author Topic: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
Gallandro  474 posts
Registered: Jul '98
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 12:41pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls? - Date Edited: 8/20/08 12:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Gallandro
Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
I liked the character, and I'm an old dude. happy


Me too. I didn't find the character annoying at all. I found her to be A LOT like my youngest daughter who's 13. Her older sister (by a year) is an overachiever who excels at sports, academics... pretty much everything she puts her mind to. As a result my youngest has always found herself a bit in her sister's shadow (not in our home mind you), and there are always inevitable comparisons between the two from teachers, coaches, and peers. As a result she really, really tries hard to show that she is her own person and not like her sister at all.

My oldest is very respectful, somewhat shy initially and very reserved... my youngest is very boisterous, outgoing, and VERY opinionated... not in a disrespectful way mind you, but she wears her emotions on her sleeve. She works very hard to make sure people realize she is NOT her sister.

That's what I saw in Ashoka; a young girl struggling to prove her worth and to prove that she is worthy of the honor that's been bestowed on her. She can be somewhat pushy and very outspoken, but ultimately she understands her place. My favorite scene in the movie: 1) After the battle on Christophsis when Anakin gently berates her for her attitude, then praises her for how hard she fought, and finally explains that she may not be a good enough Padawan for Obi-Wan but she's good enough for him.

Good stuff... is it pandering to girls? Sure, I guess, but no more so than Star Wars panders to young boys in general...


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norway  423 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 12:43pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
DarthDuckie posted:
I just thought she was very un-Star Wars and her personality completely mis-matched her supposed background.
That's my problem with her. I like the idea of a teenage female character, I just thought she seemed more like from a Disney-channel series than a Star Wars universe. I guess I have the wrong idea about what happens in the Jedi Temple before they become padawans. Oh, and I have read Yoda: Dark Rendezvous (or whatever it's called, good book!) but in that the teens had respect for the Jedi. They were sometimes disrespectful or cruel to each other, but never to the masters nor their trainers. At least not that I can remember.

 

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DarthDuckie  1910 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 1:01pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
Yeah, definitely. If they want to have a character like that, sure. But in the SW universe I'm familiar with, beings who grow up in the Jedi Temple wouldn't plausibly carry on like that.

Maybe I'm wrong about the way the Temple is or maybe I'm just becoming a miserable old git!

 

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beezel26  18124 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 1:17pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
hey maybe george wrote in in cause he has some experience with snippy teens?

 

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MissPadme  3827 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:14pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
If they only wanted to appeal to young girls, just have Anakin and Obi-Wan wander about shirtless as many times as possible grin .

J/k...I really like Ahsoka. She's a great foil for Anakin and she brings out a different side of him. Really, had she been the usual obedient and serious Jedi, would she be any fun at all? No.

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iLoveAnakin7  5275 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:25pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls? - Date Edited: 8/20/08 6:25pm (1 edits total) Edited By: iLoveAnakin7
MissPadme posted:
If they only wanted to appeal to young girls, just have Anakin and Obi-Wan wander about shirtless as many times as possible grin .


I support this! grin


MissPadme posted:

Really, had she been the usual obedient and serious Jedi, would she be any fun at all? No.



IA with this as well. Had she been the perfect padawan, where would the dynamic and bantering come from exactly?

 

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SoonerSean  354 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:58pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
I think what I would have liked to see is the we ease into the "witty" banter between Anakin and Ahsoka.

We saw that Anakin could say what was on his mind (in the opening of AOTC in Padme's apartment). But we also saw what a Master was willing to do in response -- to basically say "shut up" in a more Jedi-like manner ("You will learn your place..."). After that - we really never saw Anakin confront Obi again (in AOTC). He might have said a couple of things that were smart (looking for the right speeder for example), but it never seemed to be as confrontational as I thought Ahsoka was a couple of times.

I'd like to have seen Ahsoka come in with much less attitude and then watch her develop or feel more free to express her feelings after a few episodes of the show when one could argue that she is maturing and becoming comfortable in saying what she thinks.

I kinda look at it like my daughter getting a job and going in and within 5-minutes she's given her manager a nickname, told him how she thinks he should run the business and then later, if he's made what she thinks is a mistake, happily telling him how he screwed up and what she would have done different.

Yes... maybe teenage girls can give attitude... but in that situation and doing so right after she's been introduced to us (and Anakin) it just seemed a bit rushed.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:38pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
I had assumed that Ahsoka was added to appeal to young girls, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

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norway  423 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 11:06pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls? - Date Edited: 8/20/08 11:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: norway
SoonerSean posted:
I kinda look at it like my daughter getting a job and going in and within 5-minutes she's given her manager a nickname, told him how she thinks he should run the business and then later, if he's made what she thinks is a mistake, happily telling him how he screwed up and what she would have done different.

Very good comparison. That's exactly how I see it. Had her attitude been eased in we would have been able to accept it easier, but spouting off her smart mouth two minutes after she is introduced to her new master, was a bit unrealistic.

And all the nicknames... I think I could have handled it better had she started calling him Master Skywalker or Anakin a few times before she jumped on the "Sky guy" thing.

EDIT: Oh, and with the manager/new job comparison. Take that scenario and make her new manager a young male of 20 or so you'd still think she would want to show him respect until she got to know him better. Then she might start bantering around.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 11:54pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
norway posted:
SoonerSean posted:
I kinda look at it like my daughter getting a job and going in and within 5-minutes she's given her manager a nickname, told him how she thinks he should run the business and then later, if he's made what she thinks is a mistake, happily telling him how he screwed up and what she would have done different.

Very good comparison. That's exactly how I see it. Had her attitude been eased in we would have been able to accept it easier, but spouting off her smart mouth two minutes after she is introduced to her new master, was a bit unrealistic.

And all the nicknames... I think I could have handled it better had she started calling him Master Skywalker or Anakin a few times before she jumped on the "Sky guy" thing.

EDIT: Oh, and with the manager/new job comparison. Take that scenario and make her new manager a young male of 20 or so you'd still think she would want to show him respect until she got to know him better. Then she might start bantering around.


But let's not forget that Anakin doesn't treat her all that well when they first meet. Granted, she's the padawan and he doesn't necessarily owe her respect, but he's outright rude at first! I really buy that a 14-year-old, jedi or no, would react to that kind of reception with some major 'tude.

Anyway, I'm a pretty old girl, and she appeals to me. But I can see where she gets annoying - however, if she just started off awesome and w/o room for growth, we wouldn't get to see her mature and become increasingly badass, more wise, and less of a punk over the course of the series.

 

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DarthLassic007  9786 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 8:41am Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
Yes. She shouldn't have been included at all.

 

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Date Posted: 8/21/08 8:53am Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
This girl seems to think Ahsoka made the movie! hahahaha


 

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Go-Mer-Tonic  19592 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:14am Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
I thought she was a great character, and am looking forward to seeing a lot more of her in the series.

 

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Date Posted: 8/21/08 11:22am Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
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Darth_Vaderous  6518 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 1:50pm Subject: RE: Was Ahsoka only added to appeal to young girls?
Everybody, Anakin got "Snips" from an earlier line in movie where he says "Don't get snippy with me!" to Ahsoka. happy

 

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