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GARTH_MAUL
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10/5 12:20pm
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
She kind of looks like an evil baby in this series, but I'm rolling with it.
isn't that what she is? 
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sjmdesigns
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I love how Yoda was saying how they have to hurry up as he limps along after their life pod crashed. Yoda was just great to see heading up the action like in AOTC. Loved it. Finally, fun, action-packed Star Wars material every week. Just think, after the first season, we will have roughly 450-500 minutes of Star Wars new material. WhoooooooHooooo.
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Well, watched it yesterday, and thought it was an excellent start
-Pros
most of the episode
clone's personalities were awesome
opening sequence(if someone wouldn't have told me it was animated, and I didn't know it beforehand, I would've thought it was movie-grade sfx
Seeing Toydarians that don't adhere to the crusty stereotype
battle sequences
yoda's wisdom
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battle droid humor. I know that this is in there for the kids, but I honestly didn't mind it in the movie much, but it kind of irks me more here.
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JediLight posted:
Well Lucas' first movie in this saga eventually became Episode IV.
The fact that we already approximately 2 years in the Clone Wars at Episdoe 101 makes me think it possible to see some prequel Clone War episodes.
That's what I'm hoping for. I have to say that my main dissapointment for this series is that it doesnt start straight after the battle of Geonosis. There is so much material that has been missed out. I'd love to see how Anakin becomes a night and how Grievous becomes part of the seperatist movement. I have a feeling they started where they did because it allowed the series to start with high quality villains like Grievous and Ventress. Hopefully they will go back and cover other stuff.
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Why didn't the Super Battle Droid just stop firing when Yoda lifted it up with the Force, or was Yoda controlling it's blasters also?
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10/5 4:46pm
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I just finished watching the series premeir on CTV. That was pure own. Yoda owning an entire column of droid armour was extremely fun. I've seen one episode and I'm already looking forward to the DVDs.
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Loved it. I really enjoyed seeing Yoda in action and like that this series gives us the chance to meet individual clones and get nods to things like the toys. Actually seeing THIRE was very cool.
That said... the relationships between the Jedi and the Clones seems so powerful, i.e. the Jedi seem willing to do anything for the clones and the clones seem to acknowledge and realize it. That makes Order 66 seem to be even more troubling to me. You'd think these clones would all look back on multiple times where Jedi saved their lives and be unwilling to just coldly execute them. I'd kind of like to see some more examples of them blindly following orders to establish that response to Order 66, i.e. maybe down the road the Chancellor orders a group of clones to destroy a planet and the Jedi strongly question the clones and they respond that "Any order from the Chancellor will be obeyed. ANY order".
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SoonerSean posted:
That said... the relationships between the Jedi and the Clones seems so powerful, i.e. the Jedi seem willing to do anything for the clones and the clones seem to acknowledge and realize it. That makes Order 66 seem to be even more troubling to me. You'd think these clones would all look back on multiple times where Jedi saved their lives and be unwilling to just coldly execute them. I'd kind of like to see some more examples of them blindly following orders to establish that response to Order 66, i.e. maybe down the road the Chancellor orders a group of clones to destroy a planet and the Jedi strongly question the clones and they respond that "Any order from the Chancellor will be obeyed. ANY order".
Well, Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader is based on that very premise, a battalion of who don't turn on their Jedi officers and allow them to escape. Also Yoda says that although the clones were grown from the same genetic template, they all resonate differently in the Force, so yes, I think that its at plausible to anticipate that we will see clones protecting, or at least not turning on their Jedi commanders.
Also, I think it depends on what kind of clones we are being shown. Are we seeing ARC Troopers, Clone Commandos, Pilots etc? Remember, most of the Republic Army is composed of clones whose genetic template has been modified to make them more docile and willing to follow orders, while ARCs and Clone Commandos have undergone acclerated growth and little else, which makes them much more free-thinking.
I realize that I am speculating, but I could see a situation where the rank and file of the Clone Army obeys Order 66 without question, but some ARC Troopers or Clone Pilots go renegade and allow their Jedi commanders to escape.
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This episode was all win
First time I've liked Yoda since Dark Rendevous. Capturing his light heartedness was a very welcome addition, as were his feelings for the Clone troops. I hate Prequel Yoda  , this one, much better he was  .
The Toydarians are a nice addition as well. I've always liked them, even have a fanfic or two written containing a twin blaster weilding, bounty hunting, Chow Yun Fat version of Watto's race
I guess Canada is waiting for next week for Episode 102  Oh, well, it could be worse.
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Robimus posted:
I guess Canada is waiting for next week for Episode 102 Oh, well, it could be worse.
I think both episodes will be on Space this Friday.
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Super_Battle_Droid posted:
Why didn't the Super Battle Droid just stop firing when Yoda lifted it up with the Force, or was Yoda controlling it's blasters also?
Yeah, I figured Yoda was controlling the blasters when the SBD said "I'm having a serious malfunction, get out of the way" or whatever.
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I figured the droid just was too stupid to stop firing. Its not like battle droids are ever that intelligent.
On the Jedi and clone loyalty issue... those clones from Dark Lord, I don't think they personally heard of Order 66, did they? The local clone commander just ordered the team to set up to kill their Jedi general, then the clones messed up the ambush and let the Jedi escape until they could sort things out. Then again, with most other instances, clone troops just instantly obeyed when they heard "kill the Jedi!" from their local clone commanders, so it was nice to have at least one instance. Whether Ion Team knew about Order 66 is debatable, its probably listed under a lot of other general orders. And no, I'm pretty sure Order 66 isn't like some hypnotic command or something (unlike say Jango's reaction in that Tag and Binks comic), its simply another order, and when given by a legitimate superior (say Palpatine), the clones obey the order. Which is part of the whole point about why Palpatine set up the Clone Wars.
I don't know if Palpatine ever gave any clones direct controversial orders, and when the clones obeyed, that might set off alarm sells in Jedi heads. I'm not even sure whether the Chancellor's office has complete control over the clones yet, I vaguely remember a line or two in the RotS novelization that put the clones under Palpatine's control then, or something like that, implying that until then, the clones were mainly following Jedi generalss, but after that, the Chancellor was now their Commander in Chief... which led to Order 66 of course.
I am wondering if the cartoon ever reaches the end of the Clone Wars whether we'll see more hesitation on the clones' part or not though. Since Anakin's story at that point in time is well-documented, that won't be a mystery. Ahsoka hit it off pretty well with most of the clones in the movie, I think. Assuming she survives to the end of course (or she could simply graduate to Knight and then be off somewhere else away from Anakin when the Wars end).
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It would be good to see if some of the troopers disobey Order 66 and let the Jedi go since it would probably reinforce the idea in kids' minds that good can overcome evil instead of just following it blindly. I never really was a fan of Order 66, I always grew up believing that the Jedi were systematically hunted down by Darth Vader over the years instead of virtually been wiped out en masse.
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Nobody145 posted:
I vaguely remember a line or two in the RotS novelization that put the clones under Palpatine's control then, or something like that, implying that until then, the clones were mainly following Jedi generalss, but after that, the Chancellor was now their Commander in Chief... which led to Order 66 of course.
 That would seem to be unnecessary, because:
Nobody145 posted:
its simply another order, and when given by a legitimate superior (say Palpatine), the clones obey the order.
Palpatine was already a legitimate superior. Superfluous over-justification of Order 66 can lead to trouble.
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obi-rob-kenobi4 posted:
The one biggest problem i have with the show is that hayden christensen doesn't do the voice of anakin. It would feel a lot better if it was his actual voice IMO and it would also flow a lot better in between the movies to have it actually be him. Hes such an important character i dont know why they couldent just get christensen to do it, after all its just a voice. 
I really do think the voice of Anakin is the weakest link. It does no service to Anakin if he looks and sounds like wood.
Did anyone else think Assaj Ventress came off as incredibly naive? When Yoda schools her I was happy. Good scene but did Ventress really think that she'd win the bet? Did she actually think 100 droids would stop Yoda? I'm talking Yoda here. This was the first episode of TCW and I already think Ventress is coming off as one foolish dark sider. I wish she was a little more calculating. I'd like her smarter than Dooku in this series. But that won't happen.
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