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AvadaKenobi Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/28 9:31am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Kev_Snowmane posted: The Council knew Anakin needed this lesson, but I don't think they were planning from the get-go to just yank her away from him. Good point. I could see that scenario being difficult for any Master to handle, not just Anakin. -----signature----- ~Official Obi-Wan Kenobi Fangirl~ Obi-Wan: Tell me what you have learned during my absence. Anakin: Never to let you out of my sight, Master. You simply get into too much trouble on your own.
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PadawanLinea Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 3/29 2:06am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I completely agree with you. Let's face it, folks, Ahsoka is going to have to die (sadly) in order to keep continuity with the films, which is obviously something Lucas is interested in. It's his baby, after all. As we can see, Anakin has issues with attachment, and the people he keeps getting attached to either die or don't trust him. Qui-Gon and his mother die, and he fears losing those he is close too. Not only that, but Anakin really wants to be a hero. He wants to save everyone, and not being able to help or failing to save someone is, as we saw with his mother, something that he feels very strongly about. Yoda hints at Anakin's problem with attachment in the beginning of the clone wars movie. He and Ahsoka are already very close; they have a sort of brother-sister relationship. They're just going to get closer as the war rages on, and Anakin is going to get attached to her even more. At this point of the series, Anakin is too much of a good guy. He hasn't fallen far enough into the dark side as we see in ROTS. So, my theory is that Ahsoka is going to have to die in such a way that Anakin could have saved her but failed. It would really tear him up inside, and would make his fear of losing Padme that much more real. My guess is that Ventress will be the one who kills her. They've already built up a sort of rivalry between the two, and I just can't see Ahsoka dying by anyone else's hand. It can't be Dooku, because that doesn't keep in continuity with ROTS. Anakin's anger at Dooku is a result of the loss of his hand and the loss of the Jedi in the Geonosis arena, as well as the humiliation of being beaten. It can't be Grievous because Anakin doesn't meet Grievous face to face until ROTS. I believe Ventress will be the one because if she is, then naturally Anakin is going to want to hunt her down, and possibly kill her. This would push him even further towards the dark side. Besides, I know Ventress "dies" or something like that in a comic somewhere, but it's not really cannon. Now that she's in the series, she has to die another way so that the fans who haven't read the comic aren't left wondering what happened to her. And then there's the issue of what happens to Rex. From what I can see, Anakin would probably suffer from the loss of Rex, as well. Even though this is most likely how things are going to turn out, it is interesting to speculate what could happen if Ahsoka and Rex made it all the way to Order 66. Would he kill her? Or would he go against the rules and save her life, knowing the punishment for sparing her would be death? This is my theory, but we'll just have to wait and see. The new series is going to span at least 100 episodes, so odds are she's not going to die until late in the show. It would be stupid for her to die any sooner, considering she's a major new character. And for the people out there who think it's stupid to have given Anakin a padawan, consider this: in learning, one will teach, and in teaching, one will learn. Having someone else to look out for also makes people more responsible (in general, at least). Besides, Obi-Wan began training Anakin immediately after he became a knight. I estimate Anakin's probably been a knight for at most half a year...so giving him a padawan so soon isn't anything new. All this talk of her death is making me sad...I like Ahsoka a lot, and I just know I'm going to cry when she dies.
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/29 8:32am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Dooku may be a better choice to keep up with continuity, it will further bring Anakin towards the dark side if he kills Ahsako. Im not sure if the writers will give Grievous another chance to try and kill Ahsoka. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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AhsokaMiro Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 3/29 9:59am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	PadawanLinea posted: My guess is that Ventress will be the one who kills her. They've already built up a sort of rivalry between the two, and I just can't see Ahsoka dying by anyone else's hand. It can't be Dooku, because that doesn't keep in continuity with ROTS. Anakin's anger at Dooku is a result of the loss of his hand and the loss of the Jedi in the Geonosis arena, as well as the humiliation of being beaten. It can't be Grievous because Anakin doesn't meet Grievous face to face until ROTS. I believe Ventress will be the one because if she is, then naturally Anakin is going to want to hunt her down, and possibly kill her. This would push him even further towards the dark side. Besides, I know Ventress "dies" or something like that in a comic somewhere, but it's not really cannon. Now that she's in the series, she has to die another way so that the fans who haven't read the comic aren't left wondering what happened to her. Totally agree with all of this. Can't be Dooku. Palpatine's line about Anakin's hand in ROTS... you know, technically, he could say that instead of "He killed your dear Padawan", but it would just be weird. (Nightmare retcon: Anakin speaking at Ahsoka's funeral-- "She was so close to me she was like a part of me. Like my hand. And when Dooku killed her, it was like he CUT OFF MY HAND all over again!") I also agree that Ventress should die or go out in some way that either is clearly chronologically after her last EU appeareance, or overrides existing EU (as gently as possible). I've read the Wookieepedia article on her EU appearances and it seems like she's another one of those "she was thought dead yet again, but..." type of characters, and I'm sorry, but I really dislike that stuff. Whatever faults the Saga films and (thus far) TCW have, they've never sunk to those kinds of cheesy "You are surprised to see me alive!!!" types of resurrections. Her character should finish definitively in TCW, leaving the EU stuff as supplemental fun. PadawanLinea posted: And then there's the issue of what happens to Rex. From what I can see, Anakin would probably suffer from the loss of Rex, as well. Even though this is most likely how things are going to turn out, it is interesting to speculate what could happen if Ahsoka and Rex made it all the way to Order 66. Would he kill her? Or would he go against the rules and save her life, knowing the punishment for sparing her would be death? Agree with all this, too-- I like your thinking! I figure that Ahsoka, Rex, Ventress, Order 66 and probably the very nature of the clones (rogues/preprogrammed or not/etc.) are the focus of the endgame for TCW, and there's great potential for serious drama there, totally in synch with film continuity.
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 3/29 12:06pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Rex and Ahsoka will both die together most likely. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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Vivid_Scripts Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 4/10 12:43am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	i get the feeling that Ahsoka will survive TCW and Order 66, only to get killed off in the live action show (if that ever gets off the ground...) -----signature----- "trickbind"
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Angry-Amish Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 4/17 12:03am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Jeebus, I keep seeing this opinion that kids can't deal with character death. Really? Maybe I'm a bit older then people on here, but let me give you a couple examples from my childhood. They didn't permanantly scar me either, btw. Optimus Prime Yeah thats right, Optimus f'n Prime. Baddest robot on the planet. He would Falcon Punch 3PO into oblivion. AND they had the nerve to replace him with quite possibly the Jar-Jar of the Transformers Universe. Bumblebee Okay, nowhere near a favorite of mine, but still. Anyone remember the Robotech cartoon? Quite a few characters died on there, especially in the finale of the first season. Somehow, I managed to get on with life. Matter of fact, I don't even think I skipped breakfast that morning. Neither did any of my friends. Lucas has been lopping off arms and heads for over 30 years now. He even killed off Yoda AND Ewoks in the most baby-fied movie of them all. Somehow I think that if GL decides Ahsoka's death will serve a purpose towards story telling, you can pretty much bet the fact this is for the most part a kids show will mean nothing. You might not actually SEE her die, but it will happen. Maybe the victim of sabotage, where you see a ship blown to bits, but not Ahsoka on fire, etc. Truthfully it doesn't matter to me one way or another, I mostly came here for information on the live action series. Some of you Pro/Con Ahsoka people crack me up though. When you get older, you'll realize it doesn't matter whether you like or dislike a character. They are a means to an end to entertain you, nothing more. Just enjoy the story and have faith in the storytellers--I'm sure before the end of the series the role they envisioned for her will play out and regardless if you like her or not, you will be either happy or sad(depending on like or dislike) and therefore entertained. One thing above all that alot of you need to realize is kids are made of much tougher stuff then you could possibly imagine. Hence my reason for registering. Sorry if I come off a bit opinionated especially for a 1st post... I'm not really here to antagonize. You're in luck though, it will probably be my last as well. I'm more of a lurker. Cheers...
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TaradosGon Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 4/17 5:21am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I don't think she will die. If Dooku killed her, you'd think Anakin (with his attachment issues) would react far more aggressively against Dooku in ROTS seeking vengeance. Getting her taken away by the council seems more in line with what we see in ROTS since Anakin thinks he deserves to be a master, and has anger against the Council for not granting his wish. Perhaps he thought he did a good job with Ahsoka and thought that if he had been allowed to complete her training, he could have showed just how good of a Jedi he was. As for surviving Order 66 and the Jedi Purge, it is possible. Lucas himself (in giving direction to the developers of The Force Unleashed), seemed to imply that more Jedi than just Yoda and Obi-Wan survived those events, it's just that they turned their back on the Jedi way of life after that, so they survived the purge, but ceased to be Jedi. Ahsoka might be one such individual.
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Hendo255 Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/17 7:31am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	In the conversation between Yoda and Obi-Wan I thought of that more as when she became a night and could no longer be her master rather than they were planning on taking her from him before her training was complete. Ashoka is very young for a padawan, much like Anakin was. This lends itself to an interesting dynamic, he'll be younger than the average Jedi being forced to let go of a younger than average apprentice when she moves on to knighthood. As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to assume that they wouldn't assign him a permanent padawan. The number of Jedi is down due to the war so it makes perfect sense that they would be giving out padawans "a little more freely" and at the same time they're able to take advantage of the situation and force Anakin to grow up. Sure they couldn't fully trust him during epIII but to my knowledge(I haven't read the clone wars comic) they don't seem to be too distrusting of him at this stage of the war. As for her dying, I think that it has to happen for the sake of continuity. But seeing as it's a kid's show, I think her death is a little more likely to happen after the show ends... either in a new book or the comic. -----signature----- Zayne is the Sith Emperor. Both use the Force, both lived around the same time and Zayne is friends with Gryph who is a notorious con-artist. See! it all fits together perfectly!
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TaradosGon Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 4/17 2:10pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 4/17 2:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: TaradosGon
	Anakin deserved to be knighted earlier than the average Jedi, because he was the chosen one right? Or at least this is what Anakin's thoughts on the matter were. So, then Ahsoka deserves to be knighted too, since her master is the Chosen One and such a great guy, right? I think that Anakin might try to speed through her training, or force her into the trials too early due to his overconfidence in his own abilities as her mentor. This might result in her getting injured, or reassigned to another master. Seeing as how Ahsoka is like a kid sister to Anakin, and not a particular focal point for anger and frustration (like Obi-Wan sometimes is), and seeing as how she's probably the third most important girl/woman to enter his life after his mother and Padme, and second most important during the Clone Wars, I could see Vader conveniently being unable to locate her during the purge (i.e. letting her get away). Of course, that might just be some wishful thinking on my part that TCW continues pass the timeframe of the Clone Wars themselves (perhaps in the 5th or 6th season, the show gets renamed but otherwise has the same crew working on it and continues the same story?)
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boba_fett_protector Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 4/19 12:44pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I assumed Rex would lead the 501st to destroy the Jedi Temple? As for Ashoka, there are so many kids that love her - little boys and girls - I can't imagine her dying on screen, that would be kind of traumatic... then again, the plothole issue has to be resolved. Honestly I imagine that whatever happens, Anakin will say to Obi-Wan (or everyone) that he never wants to speak of the incident again... and sure enough, we'll never hear her mentioned again ha. -----signature----- Judge me by my registration date do you? And where you should not, for my ally is TheForce.Net, and a powerful ally it is! AIM: LessThanJakeRU X-Box Live Gamertag: Jawa Trader
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eht13 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 4/19 2:15pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 4/19 2:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: eht13
	I think it's kind of funny how some people are so troubled by the thought of Rex participating in Order 66, but not Cody, Bly, Gree, etc. who we know participate; why should Rex be any different? Having said that, I really hope this show does not go past the beginning of ROTS timeline-wise. I think it should stop the same place that the previous Clone Wars cartoon and Labyrinth of Evil stop: with Palpatine's "kidnapping". And if Ahsoka gets killed by a character on the show (as opposed to a crash, an explosion, etc.) I think it will be Ventress. I don't think it can be Dooku or Grievous, for continuity reasons... although I guess it could also be this new Cad Bane guy (although I doubt he'll be around for more than a couple more seasons, and I doubt that Ahsoka will die or otherwise leave the show that soon).
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boba_fett_protector Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 4/19 3:37pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Has there been any word on how long the series will run? I can't imagine more than 3-4 seasons? -----signature----- Judge me by my registration date do you? And where you should not, for my ally is TheForce.Net, and a powerful ally it is! AIM: LessThanJakeRU X-Box Live Gamertag: Jawa Trader
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draemsu Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 4/19 4:46pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	boba_fett_protector posted: Has there been any word on how long the series will run? I can't imagine more than 3-4 seasons? 4 seasons would put it at exactly 100 episodes, which is how many they plan on doing.
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Dmasterman Registered: Dec '08	Date Posted: 4/22 2:57pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I think she'll have to die, because she didn't appear in Episode 3 and Anakin was still a Knight. The only other way for her to have disappeared in Episode 3 would be if she advanced to Knighthood. But if she did that, Anakin would've been a Master. Therefor she must die to allow the story's continuity to exist. She didn't even appear in the second half of Star Wars Clone Wars (The animated series). So she probably does die before Anakin's hair gets all long.
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