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Chewgumma Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/15 3:57pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 5/15 4:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Chewgumma
	Isleen posted: I agree the Ashoka has to die for continuity's sake plus Anakin just doesn't seem dark and angry enough for the show to connect to ROTS with out some sort of event to shake him and his trust in the council. And yes i understand this is a kids show and they really can't show one of the main characters getting chopped in have or something. My idea is to take the suggestion i've once or twice of Ashoka being taken off Anakin and given to another master to train and adding that she dies soon after that. This could move her death off screen making it easier on the kiddies and would give Anakin a reason to really hate the council because in his mind they caused her death by giving her to another jedi. My firm belief is that if you have to kill off a main character then you should also have the guts to show the death on screen, or at least heavily imply it (like a final glorious charge into enemy fire before cutting away with a sudden silence in their battle cry or do something similar to the death of bambi's mother), otherwise people will be left wondering what happened, and in such a brutal show I think avoiding showing the death of a character would also feel like a major anomoly in the tone of the show. A good death on screen can be benficial to kids anyway, so long as it is handled in a mature manner that handles the finality of death for the character who is dying and shows the grief and sorrow for those left behind. It's a healthy dose of drama, and if handled well kids will feel the effects of such good drama, which is not anywhere near a bad thing, and they would have their eyes opened to the fact that their favourite characters had always been in trouble every time a blaster fired or a lightsaber ignited. It's something we all gasped about when Han Solo got frozen and when Darth Vader died, such an OMG moment needs to be passed down to a new generation. Personally I would like to see Ahsoka die in a space fight (if she dies at all). Seeing a major tragedy take place in something that is bloody and brutal but has been glorified to an unbelievable degree in the Star Wars films is something we have not seen yet. And having her die due to the piloting skills she is proud of would be rather fitting seeing as one of the themes of Star Wars is how hot-headedness and pride can lead to trouble. -----signature----- I grew up on the street. No not the 'hood, the Sesame Street. Behold the power of edit! Saviour of the moron! Chewgumma for president! JC Musketeer Official Time Lord of the CCC!
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 5/16 5:05am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	boba_fett_protector posted: I assumed Rex would lead the 501st to destroy the Jedi Temple? As for Ashoka, there are so many kids that love her - little boys and girls - I can't imagine her dying on screen, that would be kind of traumatic... then again, the plothole issue has to be resolved. Honestly I imagine that whatever happens, Anakin will say to Obi-Wan (or everyone) that he never wants to speak of the incident again... and sure enough, we'll never hear her mentioned again ha. No, Commander Appo was leading the attack. Rex possibly died and so did Ahsoka. In the novelization of Episode III, Anakin says C-3P0 is the only thing that calls him master. So possibly by the time of Episode III, Ahsoka died and Rex the same since Appo has been leading the 501st. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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TheMacUnleashed Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 5/16 8:42am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I do think death should be shown onscreen, or at least heavily implied. I think that Isleen's suggestion is highly plausible, but I kind of wonder what sort of situation would result in the Council removing Ahsoka from Anakin's care. I think that during Order 66 timeline, she'll be training temporarily with a different Master, like the time she was on that mission with Luminara. Whether or not Rex will be there is questionable, but that would excuse her from being in ROTS. What would also be interesting to see is for Anakin, now Darth Vader, to hunt her down in the series finale, and show the two of the dueling, Ahsoka falling, and the screen fading to black. I think that would show viewers that he was completely without the Light during that period before he knew of Luke and Leia's existence. -----signature----- "Your inner editor is a nitpicky jerk who foolishly believes that it is possible to write a brilliant first draft if you write it slowly enough." (The NaNoWriMo folks)
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 5/16 12:46pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	TheMacUnleashed posted: I do think death should be shown onscreen, or at least heavily implied. I think that Isleen's suggestion is highly plausible, but I kind of wonder what sort of situation would result in the Council removing Ahsoka from Anakin's care. I think that during Order 66 timeline, she'll be training temporarily with a different Master, like the time she was on that mission with Luminara. Whether or not Rex will be there is questionable, but that would excuse her from being in ROTS. What would also be interesting to see is for Anakin, now Darth Vader, to hunt her down in the series finale, and show the two of the dueling, Ahsoka falling, and the screen fading to black. I think that would show viewers that he was completely without the Light during that period before he knew of Luke and Leia's existence. Due to on-going continuity issues, the show might not go all the way to the events of Episode III. I believe they will end it in the middle of 21 BBY (Year 2 out of 4 years of the war). RotS is set in 19 BBY and the "The Clone Wars" series began nearly a month after Geonosis/Episode II which was in 22 BBY. Ahsoka most likely wont survive the entire war due to her absence from other previous Clone Wars stories, same goes for Rex. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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TheMacUnleashed Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 5/17 10:27am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 5/17 10:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: TheMacUnleashed
	By continuity, do you mean within ALL the media (books, etc.) or just the movies? -----signature----- "Your inner editor is a nitpicky jerk who foolishly believes that it is possible to write a brilliant first draft if you write it slowly enough." (The NaNoWriMo folks)
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 5/18 4:03am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	TheMacUnleashed posted: By continuity, do you mean within ALL the media (books, etc.) or just the movies? From 2002-2007, LucasFilm introduced the Clone Wars multimedia project which included many "Clone Wars" novels such as Shatterpoint, comics, games and the short micro-series Star Wars: Clone Wars. The new Clone Wars TV series introduced Rex and Ahsoka who never exist in the old Clone Wars project. Both, but mostly Ahsoka gave the Clone Wars timeline (in-universe) a huge gap/plot hole. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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Chewgumma Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 5/18 6:25am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	GGrievous posted: TheMacUnleashed posted: By continuity, do you mean within ALL the media (books, etc.) or just the movies? From 2002-2007, LucasFilm introduced the Clone Wars multimedia project which included many "Clone Wars" novels such as Shatterpoint, comics, games and the short micro-series Star Wars: Clone Wars. The new Clone Wars TV series introduced Rex and Ahsoka who never exist in the old Clone Wars project. Both, but mostly Ahsoka gave the Clone Wars timeline (in-universe) a huge gap/plot hole. In a world that includes superheated beams of light contained in a relatively small piece of metal and the force surely the idea of alternate universes, a plausible theory commonly believed in the scientific community, is a decent reason for Ahsoka's and Rex's inclusion in the story line. The only thing TCW needs to match up with is the films. -----signature----- I grew up on the street. No not the 'hood, the Sesame Street. Behold the power of edit! Saviour of the moron! Chewgumma for president! JC Musketeer Official Time Lord of the CCC!
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/18 7:11am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	To be fair, a lot of the old Clone Wars material doesn't need to move. Shatterpoint can stay exactly where it is, for example, and Quinlan's arc only has the build-up to Kamino shuffled forward. As far as we're aware, Obsession takes place after the series, where it used to be. There are plenty of stories which can retain their placement - the Decimator campaign, Shaak Ti on Brentaal, the Devaron arc, the Battle of Duro, the MedStar duology, the Republic Commando books etc. Rex doesn't cause many issues. After Jabiim, he heads off and does his own thing on Kamino. With Jabiim before the CW series, Rex simply fills his slot as Anakin's clone, with Fordo as a place-holder in-between. shrugs I'm not denying that the 7 weeks between Geonosis and Anakin being knighted are busy weeks for Anakin and Obi-Wan, but they fit nonetheless. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Chapter 7.5 is up! Jacen and Tassels; Lecersen; Syal; Wedge and Wes and... Tarfang! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 5/18 1:18pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Sinrebirth posted: To be fair, a lot of the old Clone Wars material doesn't need to move. Shatterpoint can stay exactly where it is, for example, and Quinlan's arc only has the build-up to Kamino shuffled forward. As far as we're aware, Obsession takes place after the series, where it used to be. There are plenty of stories which can retain their placement - the Decimator campaign, Shaak Ti on Brentaal, the Devaron arc, the Battle of Duro, the MedStar duology, the Republic Commando books etc. Rex doesn't cause many issues. After Jabiim, he heads off and does his own thing on Kamino. With Jabiim before the CW series, Rex simply fills his slot as Anakin's clone, with Fordo as a place-holder in-between. shrugs I'm not denying that the 7 weeks between Geonosis and Anakin being knighted are busy weeks for Anakin and Obi-Wan, but they fit nonetheless. Before we see Obi-Wan with Cody, Fordo was normally with him and Fordo was a ARC captain. Seeing how Cody met Obi-Wan should be introduced and Rex meets Anakin. Commander Appo led the 501st in the Raid of the Temple/Operation: Knightfall. Possibly Rex resigned or was killed in action. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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TheMacUnleashed Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 5/18 2:39pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	I honestly don't feel as if GL can continue with the CW without more plot holes developing. Novels like Shatterpoint should be safe- we haven't seen to much of Mace, after all. I think that timelines focusing on characters that we don't see a lot of in the movieverse will probably remain unaltered. However, certain plot holes have already developed, as you said, GGrievious. If GL were to end the CW before ROTS, I doubt it would be because he was worried about contradictions, seeing as they've come up all ready. Still, how far these gaps will extend is an interesting debate. I don't think that Ahsoka is going to last much beyond Order 66, because the idea of a Padawan easily surviving the same difficulties as fully trained knights goes too beyond the portrayals of Order 66 that we saw during ROTS. I mean, nobody else onscreen had even a chance, and I doubt they were any closer to the Clones they fought with than Rex and Ahsoka were. That's just my interpretation thought, and like a lot of things in Star Wars, it highly depends on what you consider canon. -----signature----- "Your inner editor is a nitpicky jerk who foolishly believes that it is possible to write a brilliant first draft if you write it slowly enough." (The NaNoWriMo folks)
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/19 10:27am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	GGrievous posted: Before we see Obi-Wan with Cody, Fordo was normally with him and Fordo was a ARC captain. Seeing how Cody met Obi-Wan should be introduced and Rex meets Anakin. Commander Appo led the 501st in the Raid of the Temple/Operation: Knightfall. Possibly Rex resigned or was killed in action. It goes... Obi-Wan and Fordo, then Alpha, then Cody. Anakin has Rex, then Appo. Yes? -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Chapter 7.5 is up! Jacen and Tassels; Lecersen; Syal; Wedge and Wes and... Tarfang! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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GGrievous Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 5/20 3:56am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Sinrebirth posted: GGrievous posted: Before we see Obi-Wan with Cody, Fordo was normally with him and Fordo was a ARC captain. Seeing how Cody met Obi-Wan should be introduced and Rex meets Anakin. Commander Appo led the 501st in the Raid of the Temple/Operation: Knightfall. Possibly Rex resigned or was killed in action. It goes... Obi-Wan and Fordo, then Alpha, then Cody. Anakin has Rex, then Appo. Yes? Alpha fought along side with other Jedi Masters to and Anakin was still a padawan when Alpha-17 "Alpha" was with Obi-Wan. I think your order is correct. And then after Appo died in Kashyyyk, Vader basically took control of the 501st which was the dominate Stormtrooper Corp legion. Rex is going to die/be KIA around the time Ahsoka dies. It would be interesting to see if their deaths connect. -----signature----- "General Kenobi!....You are a bold one... Kill him!" - General Grievous, Ep 3
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DeadOrAlive Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/24 2:52pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	Personally, I like Ahsoka. I don't get all the Ahsoka bashing going on here. I don't find her that offensive. Apparently, you Ahsoka bashers have forgotten what it's like to be a tween. She's 14! Give her time, she'll mature. Assuming each season equals one year, she'll be 15 next season. Honestly, why would anyone want a 14 year old girl to die, even if it's just a fictional character? Though, I don't want her to die, I think she will die in order for ROTS to work. Here's my theory: I think she will be killed by Asajj Ventress, on orders from Darth Sidious. Anakin, in a rage of fury, will then kill Ventress, thus furthering his path down the dark side. Though you would think, he would not be so eager to join the man who plotted to assasinate his wife, was the mastermind behind a war that destroyed half the galaxy, and had his apprentice killed. Go figure.
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TheMacUnleashed Registered: Feb '09	Date Posted: 5/24 6:46pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
	DeadOrAlive- I feel that your theory makes sense. Although in the current canon, Ventress supposedly didn't die, with all the edits to the timelines that have already been made, and the fact that she's been developed as a character more now, I think she could be killed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to CW being made her end had been portrayed in the comic books only. Now that she's become more of a central villain, I think she'll require a more final demise (Unless she ends up being in the live-action series, which would actually be rather interesting). I also believe that having Anakin kill her would be a good way to sort of foreshadow his eventual fall. As for the first part... well, I can't agree with you there. I myself don't like Ahsoka as a character; although it'd make for a fascinating discussion, I won't get into why. However, I enjoy speculating about events that are not yet set in stone. I am a fan-fiction writer; while I doubt that's true of everyone here, I find it interesting to think about different scenarios because they often make good plots for stories. I don't think this is bashing so much as curiosity. -----signature----- "Your inner editor is a nitpicky jerk who foolishly believes that it is possible to write a brilliant first draft if you write it slowly enough." (The NaNoWriMo folks)
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DeadOrAlive Registered: May '09	Date Posted: 5/24 9:03pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 5/24 9:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DeadOrAlive
	TheMacUnleashed posted: DeadOrAlive- I feel that your theory makes sense. Although in the current canon, Ventress supposedly didn't die, with all the edits to the timelines that have already been made, and the fact that she's been developed as a character more now, I think she could be killed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to CW being made her end had been portrayed in the comic books only. Now that she's become more of a central villain, I think she'll require a more final demise (Unless she ends up being in the live-action series, which would actually be rather interesting). I also believe that having Anakin kill her would be a good way to sort of foreshadow his eventual fall. I always thought Ventress died on Yavin when she falls of the ledge while dueling Anakin in Genndy's series. Of course, I don't think that is considered canon, now. TheMacUnleashed posted: As for the first part... well, I can't agree with you there. I myself don't like Ahsoka as a character; although it'd make for a fascinating discussion, I won't get into why. However, I enjoy speculating about events that are not yet set in stone. I am a fan-fiction writer; while I doubt that's true of everyone here, I find it interesting to think about different scenarios because they often make good plots for stories. I don't think this is bashing so much as curiosity. There's nothing wrong with speculation. It's fun to speculate, however some of the comments are a little "overboard". I dunno, for some reason, I always thought Ahsoka would be more popular, especially among the ladies. But, it seems that she is more disliked by women, than by the guys. Don't know why.
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