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Author Topic: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
AvadaKenobi  124 posts
Registered: Mar '09
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Date Posted: 5/24 9:27pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
DeadOrAlive posted:
I dunno, for some reason, I always thought Ahsoka would be more popular, especially among the ladies. But, it seems that she is more disliked by women, than by the guys. Don't know why.


That's funny. I find that she has quite a decent sized female following. With any new character, the fan following will increase with time. He isn't new by any means, but I didn't like Anakin at all after AotC and that opinion didn't change until RotS came out. Now, he's one of my favorite characters. I remember that people couldn't stand Ahsoka after the film, but after season one ended, she seems to be growing on people. Personally, I don't like her--I don't think she's necessary to the SW universe--but I can understand why people do.

 

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clrobins6r 
Registered: May '09
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Date Posted: 5/25 6:25pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
To get back to the original question, Ashoka will not survive order 66. One of the main points of TCW series is to highlight Anakin as the Jedi he 'could have been', the truly good person that he looses when he turns to the darkside. The movies do a good job of building Anakin up, tearing him down and then his salvation, but TCW is a chance to really showcase just how far he did fall. Part of that fall is the death of his padawan, likely something that he will feel responsible for. That is how Sid gets Anakin in the end, by making him feel responsible for Padme's pending death, an idea he [Sid] could have gotten when he saw how Anakin responded to the death of his padawan when he couldn't save her.

 
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TheMacUnleashed  484 posts
Registered: Feb '09
50898_NaNo 13
Date Posted: 5/26 2:20pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
clrobins6r: I agree. I don't think we've seen enough Dark!Anakin yet, which is kind of surprising. Not to get off topic, but I think bonding with Ahsoka would have changed him, and it would have played a part in his fall. I honestly think it's very unlikely that he would be so forgiving after she directly disobeyed his orders, to mention one episode in particular. We need more depth into just how protective Anakin is to Ahsoka, and how he reacts when she's threatened. Her death/ leaving/ whatever other way they conclude her story will doubtlessly change him, and probably aid in his turning to the Dark Side.

DeadOrAlive posted:

I always thought Ventress died on Yavin when she falls of the ledge while dueling Anakin in Genndy's series. Of course, I don't think that is considered canon, now.


The current canon for Ventress is that she was gravely injured by Anakin, but managed to heal herself. She ordered a few pilots to just take her as far away from Dooku and the war as possible, and they obeyed. That's where her story ends. Again, this is a bit off-topic, but I feel that it's worth mentioning because it leads me to this: Nobody knows what happens to her; however, she isn't exactly a main character. Ahsoka has gotten much more coverage. I doubt that doing something as inconclusive as they did to Ventress with Ahsoka would be accepted very well. It would be like letting Padme live through ROTS without explaining why she wasn't in the OT.

That's one of the big reasons why I think it's necessary for her to die. She plays a huge part in CW, and unless she's a character in the live-action series, I think too many loose strings would be left open by letting her go scot-free through a war/ Order 66.

 

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LadyNomad  52 posts
Registered: May '09
Date Posted: 6/3 2:43am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
I have a question. What if Ahsoka just left for some reason? She was tired of the war or something happened that made her quit being a Jedi before Order 66. Anakin might feel betrayed because of that.

 
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DeadOrAlive  261 posts
Registered: May '09
47652_Stephen Colbert
Date Posted: 6/3 4:16am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
That could work. It'll be better than just killing her off, and it would explain Anakin's mood at the beginning of EP3. He was grumpy but he certainly didn't seem devastated.

 
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LadyNomad  52 posts
Registered: May '09
Date Posted: 6/3 4:56am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
DeadOrAlive posted:
That could work. It'll be better than just killing her off, and it would explain Anakin's mood at the beginning of EP3. He was grumpy but he certainly didn't seem devastated.


And it would explain why Anakin felt so paranoid about Padme's commitment.

 
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TheMacUnleashed  484 posts
Registered: Feb '09
50898_NaNo 13
Date Posted: 6/3 12:24pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
That would work, but it would be a bit inconclusive, from my perspective. I just can't see her going off, and us never hearing from her again. If that did happen, I'd at least like to know what she thought of Order 66; after all, she was friends with the Clones, so what would she think of them killing Jedi? I also have to wonder just where she would go: At fourteen, it seems dangerous to just leave the people who have essentially been your family all your life.

Still, that seems like it would be the most realistic way for her to survive Order 66, and it would do well in explaining her absence in ROTS. Plus, her leaving would probably make Anakin feel as though he failed at being a worthy Master, and that would help in his eventual fall.

 

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DeadOrAlive  261 posts
Registered: May '09
47652_Stephen Colbert
Date Posted: 6/3 4:08pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
Just how long is The Clone Wars? Is it 5 years? If Ahsoka were to leave towards the end of the war, she'd be 19, so I'm sure she'd be perfectly capable of taking care of herself. But if she did were to die, I don't think it would be by one of the main villains, because it would have come up in EP3.

 
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TheMacUnleashed  484 posts
Registered: Feb '09
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Date Posted: 6/3 5:51pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
I believe that the war lasts three years, so that would put her at seventeen. That still seems fairly young to me, though. As a Jedi, and a soldier in the war, she's seen a lot of things, but to take her away from what she grew up around and stick her out into the galaxy alone seems a bit... strange. I suppose it could be done, though.

And I do agree with you on the 'major villain' point, DeadOrAlive. The ROTS canon could be slightly altered, but it doesn't seem likely that GL would mess with something that major. Ventress could probably defeat Ahsoka, though, since she wasn't in that movie.

 

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GGrievous  505 posts
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 6/5 12:32pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
TheMacUnleashed posted:
I believe that the war lasts three years, so that would put her at seventeen. That still seems fairly young to me, though. As a Jedi, and a soldier in the war, she's seen a lot of things, but to take her away from what she grew up around and stick her out into the galaxy alone seems a bit... strange. I suppose it could be done, though.

And I do agree with you on the 'major villain' point, DeadOrAlive. The ROTS canon could be slightly altered, but it doesn't seem likely that GL would mess with something that major. Ventress could probably defeat Ahsoka, though, since she wasn't in that movie.


22 BBY - 19 BBY, thats 4 years of war happy
If Ventress kills Ahsoka, that could be the reason why Anakin was raged at seeing Ventress in the Battle of Boz Pity in 19 BBY and it was said Ventress faked her own death after Anakin fought her.

 

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TheMacUnleashed  484 posts
Registered: Feb '09
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Date Posted: 6/5 1:26pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
GGrievous: That would work. It wouldn't disturb the current canon, and I have no doubt that Ventress would be perfectly capable of defeating a Jedi Padawan in battle.

Also... it started in 22 BBY? See, this is why you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia.

 

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GGrievous  505 posts
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 6/5 4:31pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge? - Date Edited: 6/5 4:31pm (1 edits total) Edited By: GGrievous
TheMacUnleashed posted:
GGrievous: That would work. It wouldn't disturb the current canon, and I have no doubt that Ventress would be perfectly capable of defeating a Jedi Padawan in battle.

Also... it started in 22 BBY? See, this is why you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia.


Not Wikipedia.
But Wookieepedia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars

The Clone Wars timeline (22 BBY-19 BBY) already had been establish years ago happy

 

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DeadOrAlive  261 posts
Registered: May '09
47652_Stephen Colbert
Date Posted: 6/5 5:16pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
If Ahasoka were to be killed by Asajj Ventress, that would lead back to two people: Count Dooku and Darth Sidious. So it would have had to come up during the duel aboard The Invisible Hand and when Palpatine's identity is revealed, in which case Anakin would have struck Sidious down right then and there. And if Grievous were to do it, then it would be the same thing, it would have come up during The Invisible Hand and the duel with Kenobi.

 
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GGrievous  505 posts
Registered: Nov '05
24194_Grievous
Date Posted: 6/5 5:25pm Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
DeadOrAlive posted:
If Ahasoka were to be killed by Asajj Ventress, that would lead back to two people: Count Dooku and Darth Sidious. So it would have had to come up during the duel aboard The Invisible Hand and when Palpatine's identity is revealed, in which case Anakin would have struck Sidious down right then and there. And if Grievous were to do it, then it would be the same thing, it would have come up during The Invisible Hand and the duel with Kenobi.


Not really, Ventress kills for pleasure many times without Dooku/Sidious telling her. Argyus is one of those victims. So Ahsoka can get killed by Ventress and then Anakin finds out.

 

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DeadOrAlive  261 posts
Registered: May '09
47652_Stephen Colbert
Date Posted: 6/6 12:04am Subject: Is there a chance Ashoka will survive Order 66 and the Jedi Purge?
Yes, but she is still linked to Dooku/Sidious. They were the ones training her and using her as a tool against the Republic and the Jedi Order. If Ventress had been acting on her own, then yes, you'd be correct, but she had the support and backing of Dooku/Sidious this whole time.

 
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