Author Topic: The Perfect Ventress Death
JediLight  1035 posts
Registered: May '01
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Date Posted: 11/6/08 8:30am Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
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TogashiAikune posted:
Both of which were released before the new CW cartoon altered her character. According to the updated Databank, Dooku has trained her to the point where if Sidious found out he'd kill them.


Meh, as much as I enjoy the CW cartoon, if there's a conflict between it and Dark Rendezvous, I'm going with the latter. Sidious knew about Ventress and pretty much understood that she was just a minion. Dooku was also becoming increasingly frustrated with her lack of success in numerous missions and by the time Obsession rolled around, decided to get rid of her.

And speaking of Obsession, this topic shouldn't even exist since Ventress's final fate has already been covered and done so in an appropriate fashion.


It sounds like her final fate is walking away. If that's the case, I think it's pretty lame. They need to close the character arc before ROTS and the PT.

If you want SW fans to accept these stories as "canon", then they have do some of the obvious things like clean up (or kill off) characters who don't show up later.

 

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The2ndQuest  40065 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6/08 11:39am Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
Ventress walking away is not her "final fate" but it is a great conclusion to her character arc so far as the Clone Wars are concerned.

I'll reitterate that a bad guy doesn't have to die to have a resolution within the saga. Most of them do, but not all.

 

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JediLight  1035 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6/08 1:16pm Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
The2ndQuest posted:
Ventress walking away is not her "final fate" but it is a great conclusion to her character arc so far as the Clone Wars are concerned.

I'll reitterate that a bad guy doesn't have to die to have a resolution within the saga. Most of them do, but not all.


True, but how do we explain her never showing up in ROTS and the OT? She's a significant character and the usually deserve more.

 

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GrandAdmiral_Frank  2417 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6/08 2:11pm Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
Does anyone know if Count Dooku dies?

 

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The2ndQuest  40065 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6/08 3:59pm Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
JediLight posted:
True, but how do we explain her never showing up in ROTS and the OT? She's a significant character and the usually deserve more.


As an example of one way that could resolve Ventress- say she, having failed as a Sith, eventually returns to live amongst or rule her people, or return to the gladiator arena. Or perhaps she exiles/maroons herself on a remote planet to either find redemption or hide from Palpatine.

There are better examples- but I'm trying to convey that spirit of an ending.

I mean, think about all the PT supporting characters that play no role in the OT- Valorum, Watto, Cliegg Lars, Dexter, Mas Ameda, anything Kamino (Lama Su, Taun We, etc), anything Naboo (the Queen, Jar Jar, Boss Nass, Typho, Panaka, Tarpals, etc), anything clones (Cody, Rex, etc) and San Hill ( wink ).

Most of those characters' story (or, at the very least, their function within the story) was finished and didn't need a death or happy ending to be resolved. Now, granted, Ventress has had more screen time than most of those examples, but counting just the movies and looking at that perspective, shows the flaw in that reasoning.

 

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Alpha-Red  2603 posts
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Date Posted: 11/7/08 7:32am Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death - Date Edited: 11/7/08 7:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Alpha-Red
JediLight posted:
It sounds like her final fate is walking away. If that's the case, I think it's pretty lame. They need to close the character arc before ROTS and the PT.

If you want SW fans to accept these stories as "canon", then they have do some of the obvious things like clean up (or kill off) characters who don't show up later.


You kidding? I think the walking away is pretty appropriate for Ventress. I mean, Durge got killed, Grievous got killed, Dooku got killed, they even went out of their way to mention that many of the top Separatist leaders got killed or captured during the Outer Rim Sieges....do we really need another unoriginal ending for this character?

Not to mention it seems pretty obvious that the authors intended this to be a character "death" of sorts and wanted to write her out of the story. As far as we as the OOU audience is concerned, Ventress has already gotten a closure. Bringing her back would have to be somewhere up there with Aurra Sing appearing in LOTF.

 

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Sinrebirth  18923 posts
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Date Posted: 1/7 3:52am Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
I want her to get a Sith name before she dies, but I do want her to get killed by Dooku or Sidious.

 

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JediLight  1035 posts
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Date Posted: 1/7 6:33am Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
Sinrebirth posted:
I want her to get a Sith name before she dies, but I do want her to get killed by Dooku or Sidious.


I really can't envision a scenario where this would happen because this would violate the "Rule of Two". Sidious/Tyranus are alive and well.

 

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Drewton  308 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9 4:24pm Subject: RE: The Perfect Ventress Death
Personally, I'd like to see Ventress turning against Dooku and training her own apprentice, another of Dooku's disciples (Tol Skorr?), and therefore be killed by Dooku or Sidious. Though I have a feeling that Ahsoka will be the one to kill her.

 

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AhsokaSkywalker 
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Date Posted: 6/28 3:02pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
Honestly, if she kills Ahsoka, I hope she goes back and brags about it, and Dooku says he doesn't need her and suddenly literally stabs her in the back and she looks at him, while falling to her knees, terrified and shocked, and then falls down dead. Personally, it looks like Ventress might kill Ahsoka in that trailer scene. However, I think that Anakin may have killed Sidious as his increasing comments that prove him to be likely a Sith Lord, let alone when he actually asks him to become his apprentice, if Ventress or Dooku did kill Ahsoka, then yeah obviously they'd get axed by Ani, but Anakin doesn't seem to mind killing those who were connected with the death of someone he cared about, and not just one of the perpetrators, as he did with the women and children Tuskan raiders, so he would surely have done more than said he'd like to kill Sidious and point his lightsaber at him. Though I don't want Ahsoka to die, I would find her death more tolerable if Sidious was the one that killed her, because he did after all kill Fisto, Windu, and Anakin for that matter. Also, if Anakin gets her, her death wouldn't make her appear weak, as Anakin killed loads of people, including Obi-wan.

 

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HighlanderC 
Registered: May '05
Date Posted: 7/1 11:12pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
I want to see Anakin take her out... Period... And honestly... I would love to see a duel similar to Dooku, where Anakin is sort of holding back, taps into the dark side and takes her out quickly and easily...

 

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GGrievous  505 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2 2:55pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
Master_Starwalker posted:
I like the idea of Ventress challenging Dooku for his Sith title as it could serve as a twisted homage to RotS and RotJ.

If we're going to change already established continuity.. I'm most positive that Sidious would either kill her or simply ignore her since he doesn't like her and he reveals it in "Cloak of Darkness". Even calling Ventress a Sith violates the Rule of Two. Probably Dooku and Ventress try to overthrow Sidious so Dooku becomes the Sith Master and Ventress will be his apprentice, but both Sidious and Dooku betray her and kill her.

However, it was already has been established that Ventress escapes the war and Dooku after the Battle of Boz Pity in 19 BBY. I'm not sure if the writers or Lucas would use that or just kill her off in TCW.

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2 4:32pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
JediLight posted:
Surely, if they were both alive, wouldn't Anakin be looking for his former padawan? Or at least mention her at some point in ROTS, to Obi-Wan or Padme?

Let's not forget the Jedi Order made finding Grevious it's #1 priority in ROTS after Dooku's death. Wouldn't Ventress be a threat worth mentioning and looking for?

Obviously, Lucas didn't think of some of these things because 'things' like Ashoka didn't exist yet.

The writers of the TCW Series has to make these stories fit with movies.


Maybe George Lucas could twist all this into context, by re-editing the Prequel Trilogy, into the 1st Season of the Live Action Show. The three movies could easily become 12 episodes of 30 min. each and then he could add a few episodes of Asokha and Ventress. Plus extend the Jedi Purge so it will last a few episodes, with more photage of Aayla Secura, Plo Kloon, Ki Adi Mundi and others. An episode with Sifo Diyas' mission and death could also be put in there...

 

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Game3525  1347 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4 1:28pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
nett40 posted:
JediLight posted:
Surely, if they were both alive, wouldn't Anakin be looking for his former padawan? Or at least mention her at some point in ROTS, to Obi-Wan or Padme?

Let's not forget the Jedi Order made finding Grevious it's #1 priority in ROTS after Dooku's death. Wouldn't Ventress be a threat worth mentioning and looking for?

Obviously, Lucas didn't think of some of these things because 'things' like Ashoka didn't exist yet.

The writers of the TCW Series has to make these stories fit with movies.


Maybe George Lucas could twist all this into context, by re-editing the Prequel Trilogy, into the 1st Season of the Live Action Show. The three movies could easily become 12 episodes of 30 min. each and then he could add a few episodes of Asokha and Ventress. Plus extend the Jedi Purge so it will last a few episodes, with more photage of Aayla Secura, Plo Kloon, Ki Adi Mundi and others. An episode with Sifo Diyas' mission and death could also be put in there...


He could save time and money just by killing Ventress during TCW series.

 

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Dark_Jedi_Chris 
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Date Posted: 7/12 6:16pm Subject: The Perfect Ventress Death
you guys are sooo not in on star wars if u where real fans u would no in the book of anikans trials he kills her in a duel this board should really b bout what happens with asokah

 

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