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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 6:34pm Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
Gry Sarth posted:
I won't answer for other people, but for my part I never said I knew with 99.9% certainty what the LAS will be about. We have clues and we have what we'd like to see. I NEVER said it was impossible for Darth Vader to show up in the LAS. I do think that, if he does, he won't be the main villain, but more of a background presence.

So when you put all those stupid statements to my name, I take offense. I always make an effort to separate fact from opinion. Very little of what is said around here is fact, so we can't really say someone is wrong or not, we can just say we don't like their opinion.


I'm sorry if I put any statements in your name, that wasn't yours. I simply thought that you and a couple of others talked with one voice in here. If one read between the lines we are not that far from each other, on what's we would like LAS to be about, after all.

Thank you for a good discusion, and good night.

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 6:39pm Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
nett40 posted:
I'm sorry if I put any statements in your name, that wasn't yours.

Apology accepted.

nett40 posted:
I simply thought that you and a couple of others talked with one voice in here.

Yeah, that was your mistake. We don't. If I agree with someone on one point it certainly doesn't mean I agree with any other point that person makes. We're all individuals here, and one should be careful about making gross generalizations.

 

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Drewton  316 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 7:12pm Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
nett40 posted:
I'm sorry, but according to Gry_Sarth, Drawton and Game525 it's completely impossiple that you'll see Darth Vader, the Emperor, Bail Organa or anyone else from the movies in it.


I don't believe they've said anything about characters like Bail Organa. Technically, they could be considered minor characters.

 

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Game3525  1458 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3 7:52pm Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
nett40 posted:
I'm sorry, but according to Gry_Sarth, Drawton and Game525 it's completely impossiple that you'll see Darth Vader, the Emperor, Bail Organa or anyone else from the movies in it.

It'll be about EU (extended universe) characters and there'll be no good or bad guys, only grey in grey... Just like in real life. They have it from the horses mouth, so they can't be wrong...

You simply have to hope that GL changes his mind... peace


First off, you spelled my name wrong. Second off, no one said they shouldn't appear. They shouldn't and won't be main characters, seriously you are acting like a complete tool.

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 2:20am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
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The_Smirking_Revenge posted:
Hate to say it, but I really don't think this supposed live action SW series will ever see the light of day.


I hope not. I hope they reconsidered the whole thing for whatever reason. Although wasn't there some recent report about it still supposedly being in the works?

I would like to see it turn out to be a cover for new films.


That would be awsome, the last three films with, an aged cast - Grand Admiral Solo and all his friends of the New Republic Navy, battling an immense horrific swarm of invading Vong forces...

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 3:11am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
Oh, my. You do like to champion lost causes that very few people would like to see, don't you?

I admit that a decade ago the idea of a Star Wars live-action series sounded to me like a very bad one, it just couldn't work. But since then TV series have evolved considerably. It's a very highly-regarded medium now, with amazing production values and top actors wanting to get involved in it. Plus, the brightest moments of the Clone Wars series showed that the Star Wars formula can work very well on small-screen weekly doses. A live-action series now does seem like the logical evolutionary step for the franchise to make. I only hope they handle it well.

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 5:22am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
Gry Sarth posted:
Oh, my. You do like to champion lost causes that very few people would like to see, don't you?

I admit that a decade ago the idea of a Star Wars live-action series sounded to me like a very bad one, it just couldn't work. But since then TV series have evolved considerably. It's a very highly-regarded medium now, with amazing production values and top actors wanting to get involved in it. Plus, the brightest moments of the Clone Wars series showed that the Star Wars formula can work very well on small-screen weekly doses. A live-action series now does seem like the logical evolutionary step for the franchise to make. I only hope they handle it well.


Yes, you may call me that. Because if the majority of people, wants to see episodes of bounty hunters, smugglers and a few misguided stormtroopers, trying to find their way in a grey in grey world, week after week. Without the slightest possibility of huge battles, Sith Lords or even a doze of simple evil vs. good confrontations. I'm not intrested sleep

A show about rebel wannabees, who have to make a living as smugglers or bounty hunters for various crime lords (Hutts like Jabba)might sound good to extremely hardcore EU fans, but to the wider TV-audience I doubt it will catch on.

The moral implications of elevating smugglers, bounty hunters and crimelords into heroic figures, might also be a bad idea. shock After all, kids have to be able to watch it, right?

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 5:36am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
Yeah.. what was I thinking? A smuggler could naver make for a compelling and popular hero. It would be as preposterous as expecting the greatest adventure hero of all time to be an... archeologist or something like that.

Also, try and stop taking people's statements as absolutes. I haven't yet heard anybody saying that the show should be all gray with no good or evil anywhere to be seen, or a dull mundane underworld tale with no excitement or battles. Sure, the general idea is of a grittier, less black vs white storyline, but that doesn't mean there won't be bad and good guys, bad guys turning good and vice-versa. The era this show is situated in means there is no galactic war going on, so you can't expect huge battles on a weekly basis. However, that doesn't rule out smaller skirmishes and eventually you might get a bigger battle as a planet foolishly tries to escape the Empire's clutches and so on. This show seems to be shaping up to be different, but it's STILL Star Wars, and that means adventure and excitement. It's just that there are more ways to get that besides Jedi battling Sith and entire planets blowing up all the time.

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 8:06am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
Gry Sarth posted:
Yeah.. what was I thinking? A smuggler could naver make for a compelling and popular hero. It would be as preposterous as expecting the greatest adventure hero of all time to be an... archeologist or something like that.

Also, try and stop taking people's statements as absolutes. I haven't yet heard anybody saying that the show should be all gray with no good or evil anywhere to be seen, or a dull mundane underworld tale with no excitement or battles. Sure, the general idea is of a grittier, less black vs white storyline, but that doesn't mean there won't be bad and good guys, bad guys turning good and vice-versa. The era this show is situated in means there is no galactic war going on, so you can't expect huge battles on a weekly basis. However, that doesn't rule out smaller skirmishes and eventually you might get a bigger battle as a planet foolishly tries to escape the Empire's clutches and so on. This show seems to be shaping up to be different, but it's STILL Star Wars, and that means adventure and excitement. It's just that there are more ways to get that besides Jedi battling Sith and entire planets blowing up all the time.


A smuggler like Han Solo, didn't become a true hero before he helped Luke, before that he was just a charming mercenary...

No big battles, what about the Seperatist holdouts??? Without the Jedi Generals the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic) is left without high-ranking leadership! Simple-minded clones are not cut out for this job. Another reason for more explanation of the new characters at the end of the Old Republic in the 1st Season.

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 8:12am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show? - Date Edited: 7/5 8:17am (1 edits total) Edited By: Gry Sarth
nett40 posted:
A smuggler like Han Solo, didn't become a true hero before he helped Luke, before that he was just a charming mercenary...

Right... good to see you agree with me then. People from all walks of life (smugglers, bounty hunters, and other people considered criminals) can perform great acts of heroism and become compelling heroes (or at least charismatic anti-heroes).

nett40 posted:
No big battles, what about the Seperatist holdouts??? Without the Jedi Generals the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic) is left without high-ranking leadership! Simple-minded clones are not cut out for this job. Another reason for more explanation of the new characters at the end of the Old Republic in the 1st Season.

After all your teasing of people's ignorance of the movies, I didn't think I would have to explain to you how Episode III ended. Palpatine had the entirety of the Separatist droid army deactivated and all their leaders were swiftly killed. With no army and no leadership, I don't think any remaining Separatists could put up more than, well, a small skirmish, like I mentioned.
As for the Republic being out of high-ranking leadership, don't forget that they have plenty of people like Admiral Yularen who are certainly not simple-minded.

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 9:15am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show? - Date Edited: 7/5 9:21am (1 edits total) Edited By: nett40
Gry Sarth posted:
nett40 posted:
No big battles, what about the Seperatist holdouts??? Without the Jedi Generals the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic) is left without high-ranking leadership! Simple-minded clones are not cut out for this job. Another reason for more explanation of the new characters at the end of the Old Republic in the 1st Season.

After all your teasing of people's ignorance of the movies, I didn't think I would have to explain to you how Episode III ended. Palpatine had the entirety of the Separatist droid army deactivated and all their leaders were swiftly killed. With no army and no leadership, I don't think any remaining Separatists could put up more than, well, a small skirmish, like I mentioned.
As for the Republic being out of high-ranking leadership, don't forget that they have plenty of people like Admiral Yularen who are certainly not simple-minded.


What if you haven't seen TCW, would you know who he was. Did he pop out of the box like a troll or what?

I know Vader deactivated the droids and killed the CIS High-command. But do you really think that the thousands of systems that made up the CIS won't be able to put up a fight. The local leaders would take over, and seeing how their leaders where killed by the Republic, when they wanted to surrender, I doubt they'll be easily convinced to end their resistance... Now with possible Jedi survivors to support their cause!

What about the Confederate Navy? and Droids can be re-activated, you know.

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 9:26am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show? - Date Edited: 7/5 9:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: Gry Sarth
nett40 posted:
What if you haven't seen TCW, would you know who he was. Did he pop out of the box like a troll or what?

Well, yeah. There's nothing wrong with introducing a character people don't know about. "Here's a Naval Admiral, you'll get to know him better as the show progresses". At the beginning of TCW we didn't know anything about Yularen (other than that he would eventually sit in a table with Tarkin), that doesn't mean he popped out of nowhere...

nett40 posted:
I know Vader deactivated the droids and killed the CIS High-command. But do you really think that the thousands of systems that made up the CIS won't be able to put up a fight. The local leaders would take over, and seeing how their leaders where killed by the Republic, when they wanted to surrender, I doubt they'll be easily convinced to end their resistance... Now with possible Jedi survivors to support their cause! What about the Confederate Navy? and Droids can be re-activated, you know.

No, I don't think the systems that made up the CIS would put up much of a fight. To give a real-world example, if you took the USA, the world's uncontested military dominat power, and suddenly vanished with all its command staff, generals, jetplanes, tanks helicopters and trained soldiers, they wouldn't really stand a chance against any half-decent army in the world. I doubt Palpatine allowed the Confederate planets to keep their deactivated droids long enough for them to find a way to reprogram the buggers. Also, where did you hear about the Separatist leaders wanting to surrender?

But the point is, we already HAD the war against the Separatists. That's what TCW was about, as well as most of Ep2 and 3. That story is over, it was all a scam and they were wiped out. It makes no sense to keep on beating this dead horse in the new series. They need to find something of a new angle for this to work, it can't be just filling in blank spaces left by continuinty.

 

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DarthBane95  2941 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 9:59am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
ThePriminister posted:
I was watching E3 coverage on G4 about a month ago and after they premiered the trailer for The Old Republic MMO one of the hosts of Attack of the Show and several others at E3, were told there will be a HUGE Star Wars official announcement at Comic-Con 2009, in San Diego. It is in three weeks and I have tickets, one of them is Friday, which is Star Wars day every year at Comic-Con, so it's a good bet the big announcement will be at the Lucasfilm panel on Friday. I really do think it's going to be the live-action series. I know for a fact from multiple sources that writing is happening and it is being developed. They said it will be a huge and significant announcement, and doesn't have to do with the Clone Wars animated series as they already have stuff there about season 2. And it isn't The Old Republic I'm sure, as the announcement for that was E3 and they(even The Old Republic developers) specifically said that it was a major Star Wars announcement, not an Old Republic announcement.

I'm pretty confident it has something to do with the live-action series.



Why you are terribly lucky my friend, I really want to go, but when I was going to purchase the tickets, it was sold out! I am going for sure next year though!

 

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nett40  115 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 10:38am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show? - Date Edited: 7/5 10:41am (1 edits total) Edited By: nett40
Gry Sarth posted:
nett40 posted:
What if you haven't seen TCW, would you know who he was. Did he pop out of the box like a troll or what?

Well, yeah. There's nothing wrong with introducing a character people don't know about. "Here's a Naval Admiral, you'll get to know him better as the show progresses". At the beginning of TCW we didn't know anything about Yularen (other than that he would eventually sit in a table with Tarkin), that doesn't mean he popped out of nowhere...


But if you only have seen the movies, there's only Jedis and Clones, no regular officers and crew. Not untill the fast forward end of ROTS, where you see grey-green officers aboard the Venator-class cruiser.

Btw. the whole end of ROTS, is simply too much happening at once. There is enough in that movie to fill, three whole movies... Just my opinion!

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nett40 posted:
I know Vader deactivated the droids and killed the CIS High-command. But do you really think that the thousands of systems that made up the CIS won't be able to put up a fight. The local leaders would take over, and seeing how their leaders where killed by the Republic, when they wanted to surrender, I doubt they'll be easily convinced to end their resistance... Now with possible Jedi survivors to support their cause! What about the Confederate Navy? and Droids can be re-activated, you know.

No, I don't think the systems that made up the CIS would put up much of a fight. To give a real-world example, if you took the USA, the world's uncontested military dominat power, and suddenly vanished with all its command staff, generals, jetplanes, tanks helicopters and trained soldiers, they wouldn't really stand a chance against any half-decent army in the world. I doubt Palpatine allowed the Confederate planets to keep their deactivated droids long enough for them to find a way to reprogram the buggers. Also, where did you hear about the Separatist leaders wanting to surrender?

But the point is, we already HAD the war against the Separatists. That's what TCW was about, as well as most of Ep2 and 3. That story is over, it was all a scam and they were wiped out. It makes no sense to keep on beating this dead horse in the new series. They need to find something of a new angle for this to work, it can't be just filling in blank spaces left by continuinty.


Wiping out the Seperatist High-Command only promised that Darth Sidious's little dirty secret (that the whole conflict was his idea) would be kept safe, and out of the ears and minds of ordinary people. How many leaders of the thousands of systems, were actually present on Mustafar to meet Vader. Only the ones who knew about Darth Sidious...

If you took out NORAD, the US President, his war cabinet and de-activated the entire US Army (If such a thing was possible in the real world). Do you really think the whole free world would simply surrender at once, or would this just strenghen their resolve to fight on. You cannot de-activate the millions of real men, women and aliens fighting for the CIS cause. Not all at once, any way... That's what the mighty Imperial Navy is for. wink

 

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Gry Sarth  1930 posts
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Date Posted: 7/5 11:03am Subject: Is there a chance that Darth Vader and Palpatine might make it to the Live action show?
nett40 posted:
You cannot de-activate the millions of real men, women and aliens fighting for the CIS cause. Not all at once, any way... That's what the mighty Imperial Navy is for. wink

Where did you see these millions of real sentients fighting for the CIS cause? All I can recall ever seeing is a handful of Neimoidian officers and a band of Quarren soldiers... hardly enough to make any sort of stand against the might of the newly formed Empire.

 

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