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But if you only have seen the movies, there's only Jedis and Clones, no regular officers and crew. Not untill the fast forward end of ROTS, where you see grey-green officers aboard the Venator-class cruiser.

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Gry Sarth posted:

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But if you only have seen the movies, there's only Jedis and Clones, no regular officers and crew. Not untill the fast forward end of ROTS, where you see grey-green officers aboard the Venator-class cruiser.

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But isn't that exactly what happened when The Clone Wars show started? We had no idea there were normal human admirals like Yularen commanding the Republic fleet alongside the Jedi, and yet I didn;t hear anyone complaining about it or feeling that is was something out of the blue. Star Wars is always introducing new elements that we didn't know about, which is why the universe is always evolving and not dully stagnant.

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Gry Sarth posted:

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Oh, my. You do like to champion lost causes that very few people would like to see, don't you?

I admit that a decade ago the idea of a Star Wars live-action series sounded to me like a very bad one, it just couldn't work. But since then TV series have evolved considerably. It's a very highly-regarded medium now, with amazing production values and top actors wanting to get involved in it. Plus, the brightest moments of the Clone Wars series showed that the Star Wars formula can work very well on small-screen weekly doses. A live-action series now does seem like the logical evolutionary step for the franchise to make. I only hope they handle it well.

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Yes, you may call me that. Because if the majority of people, wants to see episodes of bounty hunters, smugglers and a few misguided stormtroopers, trying to find their way in a grey in grey world, week after week. Without the slightest possibility of huge battles, Sith Lords or even a doze of simple evil vs. good confrontations. I'm not intrested

A show about rebel wannabees, who have to make a living as smugglers or bounty hunters for various crime lords (Hutts like Jabba)might sound good to extremely hardcore EU fans, but to the wider TV-audience I doubt it will catch on.

The moral implications of elevating smugglers, bounty hunters and crimelords into heroic figures, might also be a bad idea. After all, kids have to be able to watch it, right?

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Game3525 posted:

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Do you know exactly what the "Dark Times" were about? Because if you did, you would know it was a transitional phase from a noble era to uncivilized era. It was more about gray/cynical characters then it was about good guys vs bad guys. Vader and Palps should appear though, but not as main stay characters. Their story has been told, we already know what Palptine is going to do, and we know what Vader is going to do in this era.

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Gry Sarth posted:

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Again, don't take everything as absolutes. I never said EVERYTHING had to be new. Of course I want many familiar things, and lots of filling in some gaps. My point is that, at its heart this show should be about something new. Take the same universe that we love and tell an original story with it, show a new facet of this thing. I just don't want to see "Clone Wars 2" or something like that.

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nett40 posted:

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Game3525 posted:

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Do you know exactly what the "Dark Times" were about? Because if you did, you would know it was a transitional phase from a noble era to uncivilized era. It was more about gray/cynical characters then it was about good guys vs bad guys. Vader and Palps should appear though, but not as main stay characters. Their story has been told, we already know what Palptine is going to do, and we know what Vader is going to do in this era.

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The rebels have won their first major battle with the Imperials at the beginning of ANH. Someone is fighting the Sith during the Dark Times. ANH, TESB and ROTJ are taking place in the Dark Times, at the end of the Dark Times. The Dark Times ends, with the death of Palpatine...(I really don't care what the EU says, happened after that cause it's not filmed and not known to the wider TV-audience)

You are correct the Rebels did win their first battle at the beginning of ANH, but the Galactic Civil War didn't truly begin till a couple years prior to the Battle of Yavin. In the early years, (which I assume the show takes place) of the Empire it was more about people doing what it takes to survive, the galaxy has more "grey" characters then it does good guys at the moment, people are more cynical.b]

Why would it be so terrible to see adventures about, helplessly outnumbered democrats fighting against an evil war machine. They could get help from other factions, be at odds with other factions or they could simply have different opinions, concerning the way they should fight the Emperor. The split between Garm Bel Iblis and Mon Mothma could be described in detail...

[b]Maybe later in the series, it is just not that time period at the moment. It is 19 BBY, the series should focus on the transition from a noble era to a uncivilized one. Later on, the can bring in the Rebellion, but at the moment it is only in it's planning stages.

The period between ROTS and ANH is NOT called the Grey Times or Pax Palpatinum. They're as you say, called the DARK TIMES. I know it shouldn't be about semantics, but somehow it is...

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Game3525 posted:

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Why would it be so terrible to see adventures about, helplessly outnumbered democrats fighting against an evil war machine. They could get help from other factions, be at odds with other factions or they could simply have different opinions, concerning the way they should fight the Emperor. The split between Garm Bel Iblis and Mon Mothma could be described in detail...

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Maybe later in the series, it is just not that time period at the moment. It is 19 BBY, the series should focus on the transition from a noble era to a uncivilized one. Later on, the can bring in the Rebellion, but at the moment it is only in it's planning stages.

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You cannot de-activate the millions of real men, women and aliens fighting for the CIS cause. Not all at once, any way... That's what the mighty Imperial Navy is for.

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Where did you see these millions of real sentients fighting for the CIS cause? All I can recall ever seeing is a handful of Neimoidian officers and a band of Quarren soldiers... hardly enough to make any sort of stand against the might of the newly formed Empire.

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nett40 posted:

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Why would it be so terrible to see adventures about, helplessly outnumbered democrats fighting against an evil war machine. They could get help from other factions, be at odds with other factions or they could simply have different opinions, concerning the way they should fight the Emperor. The split between Garm Bel Iblis and Mon Mothma could be described in detail...

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Maybe later in the series, it is just not that time period at the moment. It is 19 BBY, the series should focus on the transition from a noble era to a uncivilized one. Later on, the can bring in the Rebellion, but at the moment it is only in it's planning stages.

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The "noble era or civilized era" ended with the slaughter of the Jedis and the declaration of the EMPIRE at the end of ROTS, the Prequel Trilogy is all about that, how the Jedi fell from grace and how Palpatine was able to transform a peace loving gentle civilization into an ugly WAR MACHINE.

You want more of THAT, but I thought you were against that period. The slow decay...

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Neither do I, But I do want to see the many conflicts between the emerging Rebel Alliance and the Empire. Lots of different things can be presented, while you tell that story.

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I don't know if your familiar with Star Trek - Deep Space Nine. But, would you rather have seen the conflict/war with the Dominion, through the eyes of a Breen merchant or through the eyes of the people involved in the fighting?

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... The "noble era or civilized era" ended with the slaughter of the Jedis and the declaration of the EMPIRE at the end of ROTS, the Prequel Trilogy is all about that, how the Jedi fell from grace and how Palpatine was able to transform a peace loving gentle civilization into an ugly WAR MACHINE.

You want more of THAT, but I thought you were against that period. The slow decay...

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True, but we don't go much into detail of how much the way of life changed for people, I think that is what the LAS is supposed to address.

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nett40 posted:

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... The "noble era or civilized era" ended with the slaughter of the Jedis and the declaration of the EMPIRE at the end of ROTS, the Prequel Trilogy is all about that, how the Jedi fell from grace and how Palpatine was able to transform a peace loving gentle civilization into an ugly WAR MACHINE.

You want more of THAT, but I thought you were against that period. The slow decay...

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True, but we don't go much into detail of how much the way of life changed for people, I think that is what the LAS is supposed to address.

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And why is it then? That you with great conviction, is so much against my idea of starting the show/series with an re-edited version of the PT movies. In doing so you would get the only opportunity to address these details much better.

The 3 movies of the PT could be cut into 8 or 12 TV-episodes, out of a total of 20 or 22 TV-episodes in the 1st Season, depending on the length of the TV-episodes, of course.

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Neither do I, But I do want to see the many conflicts between the emerging Rebel Alliance and the Empire. Lots of different things can be presented, while you tell that story.

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All right, no harm there. As I said before, I too would like to see the seeds of rebellion starting to oppose the Empire. I just don't want to see a full-fledged rebellion war, as that would contradict the classic trilogy.

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And one more thing, the "Dark Times" are usually considered to be the period between Ep3 and Ep4. After the first Death Star is destroyed we enter the Rebellion era or the Galactic Civil War. Hope is brought back to the galaxy and people start to stand up to the Empire.

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Game3525 posted:

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... True, but we don't go much into detail of how much the way of life changed for people, I think that is what the LAS is supposed to address.

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And why is it then? That you with great conviction, is so much against my idea of starting the show/series with an re-edited version of the PT movies. In doing so you would get the only opportunity to address these details much better.

The 3 movies of the PT could be cut into 8 or 12 TV-episodes, out of a total of 20 or 22 TV-episodes in the 1st Season, depending on the length of the TV-episodes, of course.

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Not really, in fact your idea is completely unnecessary and wouldn't sell because the majority of people have seen it. PT was about Anakin and his story is over, The Dark Times is more about the changing of the guard and later on the early stages of the Rebellion and the Galactic Civil War. You really don't need to waste money on rediting the PT to make the story fit.

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