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Armchair_Admiral Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/13 7:00pm Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	While I do appreciate what the Thrawn trilogy did to kickstart the EU franchise, ultimately I don't think a film version of it can stand up to the cinematic standards set by the SW films. To be specific, the Thrawn trilogy is not a space opera but rather a sci-fi story that revolves around a whole series of technological and biological gizmos like ysalamiri, Spaarti cloning cylinders, cloaking shields, and what not. While this sort of stuff is fodder for sci-fi fans, much of the nuances involved will not impress general audiences, since the sum of all the junk at Mt. Tantiss can never hope to match the visceral impact of stuff like the Death Star (it can blow planets away), the AT-ATs (they just keep lumbering on), or even the Kamino cloning facilities. Zahn's work ultimately relied too much on mysterious, but not flashy enough uber-tech for it to ever make for a movie that the masses can enjoy. As for the Force-arc, showing a crazed C'baoth clone going after the Skywalker twins is really not as connected to the story of the Saga as having a reborn Palpatine do the same thing. Therefore, I propose essentially a hybrid of the Thrawn trilogy and the first Dark Empire comic (ignoring the other two). Instead of using clones to come back, Palpatine simply uses the Force to assume a new physical form (who knows what Dark Side powers Palpatine discovered since ROTS), and merely masquerades himself as the insane Jedi Master Jorus C'baoth (again, cutting down on the use of clones as plot elements) who's been hanging out at his warehouse waiting for someone with brains to come along and take stewardship over the Empire. "Heir to the Empire" can play out much like the original novel, but the next two movies would resemble DE itself more as far as the Skywalker and Imperial Reconquista-arcs are concerned. As for the Emperor himself, it should be clear that he dies for good at the end of the third film because the Skywalkers cut him off from the Force (something that would be aluded too with the ysalamiri's abilities). Sure this destroys EU continuity a great deal, but I don't think that's all important when trying to make a sequel trilogy that can serve as an effective continuation of the Anakin-Palpatine-Luke-Leia story from the first two trilogies and not just some random "what happened after ROTJ" story. -----signature----- beccatoria ~ "ESCAPE, SCOUT! FLEE MANDALORE! HIDE OUT IN ONE OF THOSE NEWFANGLED CUBE CITIES SO MS TRAVISS CAN'T FIND YOU!" Yoda never kicked Scout out of the Jedi Order! Solidarity for Scout! ************ Winner of a Spiffy Crown (TM) from Brett_B
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 8/14 7:06am Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Armchair_Admiral posted: While I do appreciate what the Thrawn trilogy did to kickstart the EU franchise, ultimately I don't think a film version of it can stand up to the cinematic standards set by the SW films. To be specific, the Thrawn trilogy is not a space opera but rather a sci-fi story that revolves around a whole series of technological and biological gizmos like ysalamiri, Spaarti cloning cylinders, cloaking shields, and what not. While this sort of stuff is fodder for sci-fi fans, much of the nuances involved will not impress general audiences, since the sum of all the junk at Mt. Tantiss can never hope to match the visceral impact of stuff like the Death Star (it can blow planets away), the AT-ATs (they just keep lumbering on), or even the Kamino cloning facilities. Zahn's work ultimately relied too much on mysterious, but not flashy enough uber-tech for it to ever make for a movie that the masses can enjoy. As for the Force-arc, showing a crazed C'baoth clone going after the Skywalker twins is really not as connected to the story of the Saga as having a reborn Palpatine do the same thing. Therefore, I propose essentially a hybrid of the Thrawn trilogy and the first Dark Empire comic (ignoring the other two). Instead of using clones to come back, Palpatine simply uses the Force to assume a new physical form (who knows what Dark Side powers Palpatine discovered since ROTS), and merely masquerades himself as the insane Jedi Master Jorus C'baoth (again, cutting down on the use of clones as plot elements) who's been hanging out at his warehouse waiting for someone with brains to come along and take stewardship over the Empire. "Heir to the Empire" can play out much like the original novel, but the next two movies would resemble DE itself more as far as the Skywalker and Imperial Reconquista-arcs are concerned. As for the Emperor himself, it should be clear that he dies for good at the end of the third film because the Skywalkers cut him off from the Force (something that would be aluded too with the ysalamiri's abilities). Sure this destroys EU continuity a great deal, but I don't think that's all important when trying to make a sequel trilogy that can serve as an effective continuation of the Anakin-Palpatine-Luke-Leia story from the first two trilogies and not just some random "what happened after ROTJ" story. We aren't talking about a sequel trilogy here, my friend. We are talking about a direct-to-DVD animated adaptation of EU stories, much like DC Animated has been adapting major story arcs or graphic novels into the animated medium like Superman Doomsday(did alot of rearranging and changing) and JL: New Frontier(Didn't change stuff so much as kept it hyperfocused on certain storylines). I think TTT would stand up well with even some casual fans, I know alot of people who are not avid readers of Star Wars that loved TTT. The ysalamiri are no more strange to the Star Wars viewer than midi-chlorians are. And the cloning facility in Mt Tantiss is really all one needs... it could very strongly resemble Kamino, so that is clearly not an issue. There's not much really significantly unfamiliar going on in TTT that isn't unfamiliar going on in the PT. We never see the full scale Clone Wars, we've got alot of political manuevering, behind the scenes Sidious action(which, I think it might be worthwhile throwing in some references to the resurrected Palpatine doing to the ignorance of even Thrawn, make him out to be more of a patsy ala Grevious... only a better commander, obviously), clones, cloning tech, strange new creatures and planets we have. There's so much time spent in the New Republic Senate and Inner Council that it's not at all unfamiliar and matches up quite well with the Senate heavy TPM and AOTC. You've also got a similar arc of introduction of certain elements. HTTE plays out with similar plot points as TPM with Thrawn and C'Baoth as phantom menaces manipulating events unseen until the very end(in this sense Thrawn acts similar to Maul), then in DFR you end up with C'Baoth in an almost Dooku-like role trying to seduce Luke like Dooku attempted to seduce Kenobi in AOTC, and the introduction of an army of clone stormtroopers in the finale battle scene. TLC already has the birth of Jedi twins of famous parents, and the epic battle with the Force lightning throwing C'Baoth, plus the Luke versus Luuke duel that could be turned into the Skywalker versus Kenobi of that chapter. My only concern for TTT would be the lack of lightsaber versus lightsaber action. In which case, it might be worthwhile to make Leia out to be better trained in TTT... especially to better connect it to DE where she's basically a full blown Jedi Knight. As for DE, there's absolutely no need for ysalamiri to be involved in Palpatine finally being defeated, that plot point is already made adequately with Empatyjayos Brand and the spirits of Jedi past locking the spirit of Palpatine in the Netherworld. I think the only thing they might want to do is emphasize that it both is and is not Palpatine in those clones. That he is somehow the same spirit, but the arcane power that he's used to inhabit his clone bodies has somehow stripped him of whatever shreds of humanity he had left making him more apt to throw his weight around but yet diminished in such a way as to not making him quite the metaphysical threat that he is in the movies. He's no longer even capable of being a sort of dark side anti-Christ, which is why the DE storyline doesn't do anything to harm Anakin Skywalker's position as Chosen One. I think doing something like this would be a way to change perceptions of both stories, give a new perspective, make the mesh more with each other and the entire film saga... and, most importantly in my mind, give fans who dislike Dark Empire a new chance to love it. Which makes me wonder if they might not be able to make out the clone we see die in DEI to be more of a puppet/extension of another inhabited clone body that surfaces in DEII, and ultimatley deteriorates and fails in DEIII:EE while playing up the role and power of Sedriss and the Dark Side Elite more in DEII. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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ILuvJarJar Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 8/14 8:11am Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Id definatly see it, I just dont know if I would like it in CG. Although, I loved the Clone Wars in CG so I guess it wouldnt be much different. -----signature----- ROTJ < ESB < ATOC < ANH < ROTS < TPM < TCW Star Wars Battlefront Elite Squadrons: Fall 2009 Proud President of the Salacious Crumb fanclub Star Wars>>>>>>>>My Social Life It is well worth it.....
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 8/14 9:57am Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	I think a different style would be necessary. More along the lines of TOR or TFU cutscenes than TCW. Either that or traditional animation. It seems like using traditional animation kind of lessens, somehow, the association of an animated project with being in accord with "G-canon." -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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ShaneP Title: Lucasfilm Projects Gremlin(Manager ) Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 8/14 10:28am Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Yeah you could do it with mo-cap ala Zemeckis' films. That's how they did some of the OR cutscenes -----signature----- Keep Your Words Sweet. You May Have To Eat Them.
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Armchair_Admiral Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/14 2:28pm Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Dawud786 posted: We are talking about a direct-to-DVD animated adaptation of EU stories. The OP said nothing about being direct-to-DVD. At any rate, I'm not quite sure direct-to-DVD adaptations would work the best in this situation. These sorts of things tend to only get used for franchises aimed at young children (rest assured, the post-ROTJ EU does not target the same demographic group as the ongoing Clone Wars subfranchise) or simply for lesser franchises like Stargate which can't afford blockbuster movies. I think LFL should aspire for something higher, like a TV miniseries or a proper movie release in cinemas. Dawud786 posted: As for DE, there's absolutely no need for ysalamiri to be involved in Palpatine finally being defeated. I didn't intend to imply that, sorry. I only suggested that the ysalamiri's ability foreshadows the way Palpatine gets defeated DE-style; getting stripped of his connection to the Force by our heroes. -----signature----- beccatoria ~ "ESCAPE, SCOUT! FLEE MANDALORE! HIDE OUT IN ONE OF THOSE NEWFANGLED CUBE CITIES SO MS TRAVISS CAN'T FIND YOU!" Yoda never kicked Scout out of the Jedi Order! Solidarity for Scout! ************ Winner of a Spiffy Crown (TM) from Brett_B
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 8/14 5:54pm Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Armchair_Admiral posted: Dawud786 posted: We are talking about a direct-to-DVD animated adaptation of EU stories. The OP said nothing about being direct-to-DVD. At any rate, I'm not quite sure direct-to-DVD adaptations would work the best in this situation. These sorts of things tend to only get used for franchises aimed at young children (rest assured, the post-ROTJ EU does not target the same demographic group as the ongoing Clone Wars subfranchise) or simply for lesser franchises like Stargate which can't afford blockbuster movies. I think LFL should aspire for something higher, like a TV miniseries or a proper movie release in cinemas. Dawud786 posted: As for DE, there's absolutely no need for ysalamiri to be involved in Palpatine finally being defeated. I didn't intend to imply that, sorry. I only suggested that the ysalamiri's ability foreshadows the way Palpatine gets defeated DE-style; getting stripped of his connection to the Force by our heroes. What are you talking about only aimed at young children? Star Wars generally? Or Direct to DVD releases? Because everything I cited about the DC and Marvel animated direct-to-DVD stuff has been rated PG13. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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Cash_Fendar Registered: Apr '09	Date Posted: 8/17 5:14pm Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	I think it would be awesome. CG i getting to the point now where they could make it look pretty convincing if they wanted to. If this were to ever happen (fingers crossed), I would hope that they would do it in such a way that it was somewhat realistic. I mean, I wouldn't want to see TTT done in the same manner of animation as TCW series. I think that would suck, but if they were to do so more along the lines of Beowulf or something, it would definitely be cool. -----signature----- "Tracy my cap is luke." "Luke warm Chris?" "No f@#kin Luke Skywalker you inbred!" -The Kids in the Hall:Brain Candy-
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 8/20 3:27pm Subject: Zahn Trilogy with CG (Speculative)
	Armchair_Admiral posted: To be specific, the Thrawn trilogy is not a space opera but rather a sci-fi story that revolves around a whole series of technological and biological gizmos like ysalamiri, Spaarti cloning cylinders, cloaking shields, and what not. While this sort of stuff is fodder for sci-fi fans, much of the nuances involved will not impress general audiences, since the sum of all the junk at Mt. Tantiss can never hope to match the visceral impact of stuff like the Death Star, etc They are sci-fi "gizmos" but either originate directly from the movies (cloaking shields, cloning cylinders) or have analogs in the movie (midicholorians). I'm not even sure Lucas is concened about things being flashy and having visceral impact so far as ships and vehicles go- he tossed in a thousand different ship and walker variants into ROTS with few, if any, having any spotlighted shots or moments to have any lasting impact. At this point I think he's more concerned about environments "popping" and Jedi actions. And, i think the whole "could be a new clone wars- with faster grown clones" threat is an effective one given the movies. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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