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The Clone Wars, where the conflicts that established Palpatine's New Order!

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nett40 posted:

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Is it, really... Cause I want new heroes and villains as well, but if it's supposed to be in the Star WARS universe I would expect some fancy sci-fi battles!

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nett40 posted:

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But if the Clone War of the PT is the 2nd War! What would then constitute the 1st Clone War???

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Gry Sarth posted:

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nett40 posted:

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The Clone Wars, where the conflicts that established Palpatine's New Order!

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Exactly, and by the end of Ep3 the New Order has been established. Clone Wars over.

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Is it, really... Cause I want new heroes and villains as well, but if it's supposed to be in the Star WARS universe I would expect some fancy sci-fi battles!

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I've said that before, but I'll say it again. No one's saying that there should be no cool sci-fi battles in the series. I believe we all want and expect them. The only thing is that it is unreasonable to expect galaxy-wide conflict and huge long-drawn wars in a period where there is no real opposing force to stand against the might of the Empire.

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But if the Clone War of the PT is the 2nd War! What would then constitute the 1st Clone War???

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Again, no such thing as 1st and 2nd Clone Wars. There is the just THE Clone Wars, which encompass about three years of battles...

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Gry Sarth posted:

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I don't think we know even if there ever was a proper conflict between Alderaan and the Empire, much less what it was called.

As for the plurality of the Clone Wars, it's not unheard of for a single long stretch of warfare to be known as "The *** Wars". In China you have conflicts such as the Chen-Sui wars or Tang-Xiyu states wars which didn't span more than a single year. It's just semantics and we really shouldn't get so caught up in this.

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I don't think we know even if there ever was a proper conflict between Alderaan and the Empire, much less what it was called.

As for the plurality of the Clone Wars, it's not unheard of for a single long stretch of warfare to be known as "The *** Wars". In China you have conflicts such as the Chen-Sui wars or Tang-Xiyu states wars which didn't span more than a single year. It's just semantics and we really shouldn't get so caught up in this.

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Ahh... Just a thought, if the Empire militarily had to force Alderaan to give up its military/security forces (Leia said something like this to Tarkin: Alderaan is at peace, we have no weapons). Alderaan seems, to me at least, to be one of the major powers/players/systems in the Galaxy to oppose the New Order. The Rebel troops in ANH on Yavin IV, might just be the leftover Alderaan security forces from that conflict - still in hiding. Any way, they look very similar to the security forces aboard Tantive IV. And they all have the same uniforms and their fighters are marked with the same symbols. Just look at NATO forces, their uniforms look very different, and they all have different symbols, colours and types of fighters.

So, if Clones were used in an Imperial conflict with Alderaan to force systems to disarm, that conflict could be a Clone War. Could it not?

- These various Chinese wars you refered to, were most likely fought against multiple adversaries, one at a time. Not against a united coalition.

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Game3525 posted:

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So, if Clones were used in an Imperial conflict with Alderaan to force systems to disarm, that conflict could be a Clone War. Could it not?

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Nah, it would just be the Imperial Period. The Clone Wars official ended when Skywalker kills the leading members of the council.

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Game3525 posted:

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nett40 posted:

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So, if Clones were used in an Imperial conflict with Alderaan to force systems to disarm, that conflict could be a Clone War. Could it not?

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Nah, it would just be the Imperial Period. The Clone Wars official ended when Skywalker kills the leading members of the council.

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Yes, Vader killed the members of the Seperatist Council.

But a conflict is not a period. Because if it was, all the conflicts fought by Rome, during its almost 1000 years of existence, would be known as the Roman Period or maybe Pax Romanum (without the peace thingy ). How would you know what conflict you were refering to?

But then again, if the conflict with Alderaan was the Imperial Period! When did the Dark Times then start, when Alderaan caved in and gave up its weapon?

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Game3525 posted:

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nett40 posted:

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... But a conflict is not a period. Because if it was, all the conflicts fought by Rome, during its almost 1000 years of existence, would be known as the Roman Period or maybe Pax Romanum (without the peace thingy ). How would you know what conflict you were refering to?

But then again, if the conflict with Alderaan was the Imperial Period! When did the Dark Times then start, when Alderaan caved in and gave up its weapon?

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Dark times and Imperial Period are the same thing, the "Dark-Times" start in 19 BBY and end in 4 ABY, the Rebellion officially starts 2 BBY. I am not sure the date when Alderaan gave up their weapons, but I believe it was directly after the Clone Wars so that can range from a couple months to a few years.

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[quote=Game3525][quote=nett40]So, if Clones were used in an Imperial conflict with Alderaan to force systems to disarm, that conflict could be a Clone War. Could it not?

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Nah, it would just be the Imperial Period. The Clone Wars official ended when Skywalker kills the leading members of the council.

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Yes, Vader killed the members of the Seperatist Council.

But a conflict is not a period. Because if it was, all the conflicts fought by Rome, during its almost 1000 years of existence, would be known as the Roman Period or maybe Pax Romanum (without the peace thingy ). How would you know what conflict you were refering to?

But then again, if the conflict with Alderaan was the Imperial Period! When did the Dark Times then start, when Alderaan caved in and gave up its weapon?

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And what movie was that in or where did you get that info from???

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Starwars.com and Wookieepedia. Starwars.com says the Rebel Alliance offical began with the signing of the Corellian Treaty, which was signed 2 bby.

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And what movie was that in or where did you get that info from???

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Starwars.com and Wookieepedia. Starwars.com says the Rebel Alliance offical began with the signing of the Corellian Treaty, which was signed 2 bby.

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But, what about the deleted scenes from ROTS???

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Why in the name of the Force, don't they start with that, then?

I never said it had to be a full blown all out rebellion to begin with, I specifically said the emerging rebel Alliance. That would be small pockets of resistance on various worlds (incl. Alderaan) meeting and conspiring in secret against the Empire. Leading to draconian measures, taken against their homeworlds by the Moffs of the Empire, if discoverd.

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nett40 posted:

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I never said it had to be a full blown all out rebellion to begin with, I specifically said the emerging rebel Alliance. That would be small pockets of resistance on various worlds (incl. Alderaan) meeting and conspiring in secret against the Empire. Leading to draconian measures, taken against their homeworlds by the Moffs of the Empire, if discoverd.

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